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Amazon Fires Its Affiliates in Colorado (Including Me) Because of Colorado HB 10-1193

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I’ve been an Amazon Associate (Amazon’s affiliate program) for many years.  Today I got the following notice in my Amazon Associates account.

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and I woke up to the following email.

Dear Colorado-based Amazon Associate:

We are writing from the Amazon Associates Program to inform you that the Colorado government recently enacted a law to impose sales tax regulations on online retailers. The regulations are burdensome and no other state has similar rules. The new regulations do not require online retailers to collect sales tax. Instead, they are clearly intended to increase the compliance burden to a point where online retailers will be induced to “voluntarily” collect Colorado sales tax — a course we won’t take.

We and many others strongly opposed this legislation, known as HB 10-1193, but it was enacted anyway. Regrettably, as a result of the new law, we have decided to stop advertising through Associates based in Colorado. We plan to continue to sell to Colorado residents, however, and will advertise through other channels, including through Associates based in other states.

There is a right way for Colorado to pursue its revenue goals, but this new law is a wrong way. As we repeatedly communicated to Colorado legislators, including those who sponsored and supported the new law, we are not opposed to collecting sales tax within a constitutionally-permissible system applied even-handedly. The US Supreme Court has defined what would be constitutional, and if Colorado would repeal the current law or follow the constitutional approach to collection, we would welcome the opportunity to reinstate Colorado-based Associates.

You may express your views of Colorado’s new law to members of the General Assembly and to Governor Ritter, who signed the bill.

Your Associates account has been closed as of March 8, 2010, and we will no longer pay advertising fees for customers you refer to Amazon.com after that date. Please be assured that all qualifying advertising fees earned prior to March 8, 2010, will be processed and paid in accordance with our regular payment schedule. Based on your account closure date of March 8, any final payments will be paid by May 31, 2010.

We have enjoyed working with you and other Colorado-based participants in the Amazon Associates Program, and wish you all the best in your future.

I’ve been a supporter of Governor Ritter since his campaign for governor and have worked hard to positively impact Colorado’s software / Internet / technology / entrepreneurial ecosystem.  Over the past two months, I’ve privately expressed my outrage over HB10-1192 and HB10-1193 to several people in Ritter’s administration.  I watched as numerous people in the software / Internet community tried their hardest to help our legislators, the governor, and their staffs understand why this is such a huge step backwards for Colorado.  I was told several times “don’t worry – we’ll take care off all the silly stuff.”  There seemed to be enough folks showing up to discuss this that I thought rational minds would prevail.

I made a huge mistake.  I should have come out very publicly about this when I first heard about it, made sure everyone that I supported during the elections that supported these bills (including one of the co-sponsors) knew my opinion and understood why they had the potential to be so detrimental to the software / Internet / entrepreneurial climate in Colorado.  Shame on me for not being more aggressive, although there are some days I definitely feel like there are only so many fronts I can deal with outside my very full time day job.

I’m not at all surprised by this action on Amazon’s part.  I expect the Internet Affiliate business in Colorado will completely die within the next thirty days (every company that has an affiliate business will turn off all of their Colorado-based affiliates.)

I then received the following email from Colorado Governor Ritter

Gov. Bill Ritter issued the following statement today criticizing Amazon.com’s decision to abruptly end its financial relationship with Amazon Associate businesses in Colorado:

“Amazon has taken a disappointing – and completely unjustified – step of ending its relationship with associates. While Amazon is blaming a new state law for its action, the fact is that Amazon is simply trying to avoid compliance with Colorado law and is unfairly punishing Colorado businesses in the process.

“My office worked closely with Amazon’s affiliates and associates to modify House Bill 1193 to specifically protect small businesses, avoid job losses and provide a fair, level playing field for on-line retailers and Main Street, brick-and-mortar retail shops alike.

“Amazon’s position is unfortunate, and Coloradans certainly deserve better.”

I’m especially disappointed in the Governor’s statement – it’s completely tone deaf to the actual issue and what Amazon is clearly stating.  I’ve heard several people saying “Amazon is the problem” or “well – this is good – now people will buy locally.”  Neither of these statements is valid – Amazon behaved like a rational company in the face of government regulation that had no upside for them and substantial downside.  Also, this has zero impact on consumer purchasing activity as this doesn’t impact the end customer of Amazon products in any way.

Rather, the many small businesses and solo entrepreneurs who make money off of Amazon’s affiliate program just lost a revenue stream (which, by the way, is used to employ people and pay state taxes.)  Colorado just got a big black eye in their historical effort to be a place that is friendly to business, especially high growth technology companies.  And our state government likely now has lost more tax revenue than it was going to gain through the bill in the first place while simultaneously damaging the revenue streams for many small Colorado businesses.

The only logical solution in my book is what Amazon says in paragraph 3.

There is a right way for Colorado to pursue its revenue goals, but this new law is a wrong way. As we repeatedly communicated to Colorado legislators, including those who sponsored and supported the new law, we are not opposed to collecting sales tax within a constitutionally-permissible system applied even-handedly. The US Supreme Court has defined what would be constitutional, and if Colorado would repeal the current law or follow the constitutional approach to collection, we would welcome the opportunity to reinstate Colorado-based Associates.

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  • Steve Sayger

    Governor Bill Ritter is a My Hero. I have a Retail Store & for to long the Field has not been level with the Competition. I do't want an advantage, I just want the game to be fair. Online Retailers can pay their Taxes the same as everyone else. If we can put a man on the Moon then we can collect sales taxes through Amazon or any other Website out there! I have seen Celebrities & Pro Athletes put in jail for not paying taxes then regular old Joe Blow or Josephine Blow orders something on his or her computer & has no intention of paying the tax. 5 Years ago this was not an issue but now in 2010 50% to 60% of retail is online. Politicians out there need to get their head out of the sand & show support for this Brave Governor who had the courage to do the right thing not to mention my fellow Americans!

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  • http://www.memebridge.com Will Spencer

    My Amazon Associates account was terminated and I support Amazon's decision to do so.

    Colorado is losing revenue and Coloradoans are losing revenue — and it's our fault. We get the government we deserve. We brought this upon ourselves when we voted for these kleptocrats.

    Tax competition is here to stay. We're not tied to doing business in Colorado like a bunch of serfs. If Colorado doesn't want us, we can do business elsewhere. It looks like a lot of small businesses will now be "moving" from Colorado to Delaware or Nevada.

  • http://scott-woodardblog.blogspot.com/ Scott Woodard

    Now I haven't read all the comments above, but what seems to be missing from the debate on CO's action is just what right the state, or any public entity, has to tax online sales. This from a fairly liberal Democrat, by the way.

    Brick & mortar stores pay sales taxes because they impose issues on a government – utility costs, increased traffice and road use, etc. Online purchases pose NO additional burden on a government. Government does NOT have the right to tax something simply because it's there. Taxes should be to offset the burdens imposed by additional activity.

    I get the state is in dire financial stress and needs to make tough choices. But finding new revenue options by taxing activity just because it has yet to be taxed is not right. CO hasn't forgone online sales revenues. It doesn't have the right to them. You don't lose what is not yours to begin with.

    Geez, it's enough to vote Republican.

    ~ Scott Woodard

  • iBusiness guy

    When I first heard about this, I thought –
    Why don't the eCommerce companies just move the corporate Hdqtrs to Nevada?

    I realize it becomes more difficult regarding merchandise shipped into Colo.
    Somehow this is going to end up again in the Supreme court.

    My east coast state is also considering this. I guess they are waiting to see what happens in Colo.

  • http://yorkstreetproperties.com Jen Juan

    I’m especially disappointed in the Governor’s statement – it’s completely tone deaf to the actual issue and what Amazon is clearly stating. I’ve heard several people saying “Amazon is the problem” or “well – this is good – now people will buy locally.” Neither of these statements is valid – Amazon behaved like a rational company in the face of government regulation that had no upside for them and substantial downside. Also, this has zero impact on consumer purchasing activity as this doesn’t impact the end customer of Amazon products in any way. – I COMPLETELY AGREE. Good for Amazon.

  • Sara

    Just spreading "the" wealth. Socialism/liberalism/progressivism/Marxism/fascism/multi-culturalism are in direct opposition to constitutional freedom and the American-American culture and society that evolved from it. I am sorry it has hurt businesses in Colorado.

  • Miki Ellis

    Elections have consequences. This is what you get for voting for Democrats. I have very limited sympathy for you.

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  • Skidmark

    Brad, I wonder if this experience will have any impact on who you'll be supporting in the Bennett and Hickenlooper elections. My guess is you'll continue to support the looters in the Dem party, but I'd love to be proven wrong here.

  • kurto

    On the tax location issue… I am a retailer in California. In this state, the sales tax is the financial responsibility of the seller. When the buyer pays sales tax at the register, it is, technically, a voluntary reimbursement. This is how some retailers can have a "no sales tax" event. They simply pay the taxes as usual, but do not ask the buyer for reimbursement. Maybe, if you look up the actual tax code for CO, you may find it to be similar

  • Keifer Maarten

    I run three online retail businesses in a liberal East Coast state.
    There are over 7500 sales tax jurisdictions in the United States. As the public employee pension tsunami hits in the coming decades, the numbers of jurisdictions implementing new sales taxes is expected to skyrocket.
    The cost for the software/hardware/accounting/auditing to even theoretically comply with 7500+ jurisdictional sales tax laws is astronomical.
    One of the companies in my trade group has over $240million a year in gross sales, but with very thin margins. He would be out of business if he was forced to comply with 7500+ sales tax jurisdictions.

    No entrepreneur is going to risk being arrested, extradited, tried, fined and jailed in podunk jurisdictions over sales tax law compliance. That goes from the little guys like myself, all the way up to the Board of Directors and CEO Bezos of Amazon.com

    Elections have consequences, Democrat majorities owned part and parcel by parasitic public employee unions in Colorado are dead set on killing the host body politic if it means their special interest bosses at the unions get their golden retirement packages.

    There are further failures coming to Colorado due to this law.
    Your vast empty spaces of CRE will never again be repopulated by productive tax paying, job creating companies if regional, national, and multinational companies forever fear the wrath of a 'situs and nexus' ruling on their activities in your state.

    Maybe they can turn all those empty office buildings into public housing for the elderly who don't have public union pensions.

  • chuckles

    Everyone must get their education. Anyone that believes in the Democrat model will get educated at some point in their lives. Conservative are always considered dense, uneducated, morons, rednecks, etc, because we want simple Constitutional regulations that are based on Free Enterprise and capitalism. This is just an example of business seeking the capitalist level fairest to them. They will always do this. Just as your employer will stop paying for your health insurance if their is a public option to force you on to some sort of Medicaid, stand in line, controlled cost for treatment, sort of system. People will find this out eventually, but it will be too late. My company has already sent me 2 notices of help to get me disabled and put on Social Security disability so I can get Medicare and they can drop my insurance. As if it would be desirable for me to get on Medicare.
    Anyone over 50 can remember Carter and his debacle of a presidency. If you are under 50, well, maybe you haven't learned how close America can come to coming apart. I am afraid, this time, that we may have gone to far to the edge to pull ourselves back, and who will be the next Reagan?

  • chuckles

    All the public schools would have to do is teach students that when you tax something you get less of it, bit instead the kids wear "Che" Tee shirts. Elections do have consequences, and I'm afraid the whole country, not just Colorado will learn a terrible lesson soon. I was taught in the 6th grade that socialism doesn't work, and never will work, and why it doesn't work, yet the whole world seems to be on it's path to bankruptcy. I guess the best teacher is to lose your job, your home, your savings, and maybe even your family before we give up on utopia.
    Someone should ask the Governor how much tax income was generated by this bill in public and force an answer. Anyone willing to bet that Amazon wasn't the only "runner" from this bill? His answer will be 1. It's Bush's fault. 2. Look at the jobs we saved with this law. 3. Look at how bad it would have been had we done nothing.
    And all the unemployed dope heads will nod in complete agreement.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/bfeld bfeld

    I hope you have no sympathy, as I’m not interested in sympathy! 

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/bfeld bfeld

    Shall I switch to the looters in the Republican party?

  • Kendall

    I was thinking the same thing, I have a small company and was thinking to do something soon based in part on the affiliates company.

    It seems that if I register my company in Delaware I can probably still join the affiliate program… I'd like to continue supporting Colorado but I guess Colorado doesn't care to support me, so it's time to break ties.

  • John Buehler

    I'm afraid this is just one of a long line of bills to be passed at every level, in every country. I read today where Israel is forcing Americans to divest their interests there and repatriate the money to the US or elsewhere. Every morning I wake up and I hear New Zealand calling…

    On a side note, you do have another address outside of Colorado…using it is just another form of protest.

  • Kendall

    Yes, because Republicans are content to loot what is already there instead of seeking to expand the total pool of Loot.

    And you never know, after a while you may be able to get enough reasonable Republicans to agree to reduce the pool.

  • Ellis

    Please visit Colorado Software & Internet Association site for all the information about this… they, along with many business folks tried to get this stopped.
    http://www.coloradotechnology.org

  • Big Eddie

    As a small biz operating out of Co, i am glad that they passed the bill to tax internet purchases. Many of those who send their money to improve other economy as well supporting other kids school instead of your own. Those with kids of working age, How do you expect local biz to hire your kids or even you if you keep sending your money out of state. Some of you will give the excuse that you are saving money and not aware that , by doing so you are jepordising your own.
    As a small biz and other biz in town pay lots of taxes every month to your city so your home value increase and other things that you demand to improve your way of life. Well how could you accomplish that if you keep doing biz out of state.

  • http://www.joaobelo.co.uk Joao Belo

    This is just wrong. Taxing in this way is no proper incentive for people to purchase locally in order to improve local economy. Fostering innovation should be the solution.

    • http://www.lanyardsltd.com/ lanyards

      i totally agree with Joao because he is very perfect on this statement and decision.Nice to see his comments.

  • Big Eddie

    Trust me it will. Internet cosumers are doing so just to save. However when they see that someone is tightining the grip they will . because they all are about savings. I am with you on inovation.
    I operate my biz here in Co and my prices are identicle to internet however i loose on the tax.

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  • http://leavittbrothers.com/ Jason

    Interesting….because I started my web company while living in Illinois and still have bank account there, Amazon probably doesn't know I moved to Colorado three years ago and therefore the switched didn't get turned off on me.

  • DaveJ

    Link broken, but I agree with you that the big-L libertarians are confused. That said, the general libertarian (small-l) approach is the right way out.

  • Skidmark

    Do you believe 1193 would have been passed & signed if we had a Republican legislature and/or governor?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Bob_Powell Bob_Powell

    That's weird that the link is broken. Found it's because it has a dot at the end … don't know how that happened. It's http://www.exponentialimprovement.com/cms/command… or http://tinyurl.com/ya2gbmw . Their view of reality is partial and limited, big L or small "l" … but, granted, I see them as the same.

  • http://www.facebook.com/colin.gebhart Colin Gebhart

    Eddie,

    I'm not a CO resident so I don't have skin in the game, but CO didn't pass a mandatory collection use tax law, which is basically what you would like where out of state businesses must collect tax. CO passed a law that in effect expands the definition of a nexus of business, so they can "legally" require out of state businesses to collect local sales tax, that by Supreme Court case law says can only be collected from in state businesses.

    I doubt that many people shop in Colorado rather than online now because of this law. Instead they will continue to shop at Amazon, and other internet retailers, that have taken pains to be sure they have no business relationships in CO so they still aren't legally obligated to collect sales tax or report purchases to CO government.

  • http://www.facebook.com/colin.gebhart Colin Gebhart

    Eddie, you are the extreme exception, if every one of your product prices are identical to the lowest available internet price. I regularly shop with online comparison websites to get the best deal, sites like google.com/products.

    When I go there, I usually want a specific item. I don't care where it comes from as long as it is from the US or Canada, and honestly I don't account for whether I have to pay Texas sales tax. I do base my decision on the combined item/shipping cost, which for most purchases is an order of magnitude more relevant than sales tax.

    There are generally considerable differences between the first and second best price, and the rest of the prices, and between the average internet price regardless of state, and what I can find it at from businesses in my city. I'd estimate in only 15% of the cases, does a Texas internet business have the best or 2nd best price.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/James_Mitchell James_Mitchell

    It always amazes me when smart business people like Brad support Democrats for election and then they are surprised, even shocked, when the Democrats screw up the economy.

    James Mitchell
    http://www.jmitchell.me

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/caseyschorr caseyschorr

    Why don't you vote libertarian? I still don't understand how any sane businessperson could vote democrat OR republican.

  • Big Eddie

    Colin you are missing the point. Point is support your local economy to help you improve your community.
    You saidand i quate.
    There are generally considerable differences between the first and second best price, and the rest of the prices, and between the average internet price regardless of state, and what I can find it at from businesses in my city. I'd estimate in only 15% of the cases, does a Texas internet business have the best or 2nd best price.
    My biz is a brick and mortar. If you go to your local biz and ask him or her to demonstrate a product, after waisting their time on the demo you simply buy because of price without even giving him a chace to earn your biz. Did you factor the time he spend with you? Did you factor the service that he will give you? These guys put themselves infront of and helped you instead you choose to pay someone else who did not do any of the above.
    Think logicly, how would like it if you went work and the company sent a ck to some else time after time. I bet you wont last. My friend that is what you are doing sending your money to someone who did not earn it.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/DavidThielen DavidThielen

    My biggest regret is the same as Brad's – I should have been actively fighting this as it moved through the legislature. It's a startup business killer. I am fighting now. I recomend contact your state representatives.

    Also, please consider adding your voice on ColoradoPols about the damage this bill does – http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/11830/an-amazon… – the legislators read that site.

  • Ben

    Won't this all even out once they do this in every state? And then the price of sales tax software will come down because all these online businesses need it. OR online businesses will all use Amazon's web offerings as their backend, and use their tax services. http://aws.amazon.com/

  • GovRitter Sux

    It's very simple people – it's all about taxing nexus. If Amazon sends employees into a State where it doesn't already have a physical presence (like Colorado), then CO will state that Amazon now has a legitimate business presence in CO by attending, marketing and promoting the Amazon business (at a conference or otherwise) and the State – at that point – would slap a tax nexus on Amazon and they'd be required to collect sales tax on all CO residents (like they do in Washington) and it would therefore make their products more expensive and less likely to earn the business. Amazon's entire business model is based on having the best (lowest) price and if tax is added on then it's likely not the lowest price around. To avoid this problem, Amazon will not conduct business (at any level) in States where it doesn't already have a nexus due to its employee's physical presence in those states.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/steve_bergs2127 steve_bergs2127

    Brad – could you establish your address as Alaska instead of Colorado and get around Amazon's restrictions (from your personal perspective only – I don't mean to support Colorado's new policy)?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Bob_Powell Bob Powell

    A libertarian hero in a libertarian fairy tale.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/colin.gebhart Colin Gebhart

    Eddie,

    I don't believe most of the stores in my local community (that aren't large and national or regional) are offering a valuable service or really helping to enhance my community.

    I understand they are at a disadvantage for various reasons. But they don't offer a wide selection, competitive pricing, a clear written return policy posted in their store, a way to get first hand reviews of the product, and especially extended store hours. I don't think many of them provide any real form of after sale support. There are a few local stores I do like and I am willing to spend 10% or a little more for the same product at those stores.

    I have no desire to support most of these sub-standard local stores. And I don't take up their time when I occasionally go in them just to quickly see what they offer. Salespeople and overly doting owners annoy me, so if they are chatting me up and demonstrating their product while wasting their time as you say, I didn't ask for it and I don't want it.

    What I do appreciate are online stores that have wide selections, with product reviews on their website or easily searchable while I am shopping by looking on google, competitive pricing, a written (not verbal) return policy I can peruse at my leisure and 24 hour shopping. Your store may be one of the local stores I would like and frequent even if you cost a little more, but again in my experience you would be the exception.

  • http://pinkdiamondsdirect.com Pink Diamond rings

    interesting debate.

    could you set up a legal entity in Nevada with a mail box to get around this?

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  • http://www.HipSoul.com HipSoul Clothing

    All I can say to this is… the big government is finally starting to affect you personally.

    Nobody seems to realize just how serious this "government takeover" actually is… it doesn't matter whether you're democrat or republican (that's the shill)… there is no difference between the two, it's an illusion… crafted masterfully, and executed with decades of planning (and social engineering data – think superbowl commercials!).

    Props to Amazon for using Colorado's first steps towards a fascist government, as a tool to enrage it's citizens… the only way people will stop voting and WAKE UP… is when someone smashes their television and steals their wallet.

    Well, it's time to wake up… your wallets gone.
    (and your governor doesn't seem to know anything about it).

    Now that you're awake, things are only gonna get worse.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jeff_yin Jeff

    I heard that Amazon had decided to reinstate all Associates after the tax bill was overturned, but I just checked my Associate account and I still have that "Account Closed" message. Has anyone confirmed that they have been reinstated as an Amazon Associate?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bfeld Brad Feld

      I am not aware that the tax bill was overturned.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jeff_yin Jeff

        Dang – I just took a closer look at the email I got telling me that the bill was overturned, and it was dated April 1. I guess I got caught in an April Fool's joke – thanks for setting me straight, Brad!

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