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		<title>By: replcia handbags</title>
		<link>http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2009/12/help-reform-computer-science-education.html/comment-page-1#comment-32349</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good article, thanks for share. </description>
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		<title>By: Lucy Sanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are assuming that computer science is only programming and that&#039;s just not the case.  Good computer science curricula should teach people how to look at real world problems and apply technology to the resolution of these problems.  This involves observation, human/computer interface/interaction algorithms, system design/evaluation and much more.  Saying computer science equals programming is like saying architecture equals hammering.  Now, I can see why most folks think this because most CS introductory classes are programming classes - many CS educators feel this must change </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are assuming that computer science is only programming and that&#039;s just not the case.  Good computer science curricula should teach people how to look at real world problems and apply technology to the resolution of these problems.  This involves observation, human/computer interface/interaction algorithms, system design/evaluation and much more.  Saying computer science equals programming is like saying architecture equals hammering.  Now, I can see why most folks think this because most CS introductory classes are programming classes &#8211; many CS educators feel this must change</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I send my son to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internaldrive.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.internaldrive.com/&lt;/a&gt; every summer.  It has day programs and week-long programs in which they live in the dorms.  I highly recommend it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I send my son to <a href="http://www.internaldrive.com/" target="_blank">http://www.internaldrive.com/</a> every summer.  It has day programs and week-long programs in which they live in the dorms.  I highly recommend it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an excerpt from an email that I sent to a former colleague at the SD School of Mines a while ago: 
 
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This blogger concludes that the problem is not that there are too few women in computing, but that there are too many men: 
 
&quot;I&#039;m waiting to read the headline: &#039;Women too smart for careers with computers,&#039;&quot; says Laird, &quot;where another researcher concludes that only &#039;boys&#039; are stupid enough to go into a field that&#039;s globally-fungible, where entry-level salaries are declining, and it&#039;s common to think that staying up all night for a company-paid pizza is a good deal.&quot; 
 
Words to live by.  Regrettably, I am living by them as one of the boys. 
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You write:  &quot;gender diversity in IT means a larger and more competitive workforce.&quot;  What do those words mean?  &quot;Competitive,&quot; for example, requires an object.  Who competes, and against whom?  One answer is that the participants in the workforce compete against each other, and any economist will tell you that the result of such competition is lower compensation in whatever terms you want to discuss (wages, benefits, etc.) 
 
Is there any evidence that great implementation of is what&#039;s missing in the world?  If you want to support the idea that we need more girls to become programmers then that&#039;s the evidence that you need because programmers do implementation. 
 
I&#039;m more inclined toward something else that you wrote:  &quot;in a world dependent on innovation, it means the ability to design technology that is as broad and creative as the people it serves.&quot;  What&#039;s going to get you across the finish line that you describe there?  The ability to manage and finance go-to-market on a compelling design?  Yes.  The ability to write a bunch of C++, Java, Flash, or any other implementation technology you&#039;d care to name?  No. 
 
Why would a smart woman enter comp sci?  Pure programmers are never going to be my highest paid or most valuable people.  By coincidence, it turns out that some of my most valuable people happen to have programming skills, but their value to me arises mostly from other characteristics. 
 
Women already have it hard enough - give &#039;em a break!  Discourage them from entering comp sci and instead teach them valuable skills like evaluating, managing, designing, and financing technology. 
 
in my always-humble opinion, of course. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s an excerpt from an email that I sent to a former colleague at the SD School of Mines a while ago: </p>
<p>/========<br />
This blogger concludes that the problem is not that there are too few women in computing, but that there are too many men: </p>
<p>&quot;I&#039;m waiting to read the headline: &#039;Women too smart for careers with computers,&#039;&quot; says Laird, &quot;where another researcher concludes that only &#039;boys&#039; are stupid enough to go into a field that&#039;s globally-fungible, where entry-level salaries are declining, and it&#039;s common to think that staying up all night for a company-paid pizza is a good deal.&quot; </p>
<p>Words to live by.  Regrettably, I am living by them as one of the boys.<br />
======== </p>
<p>You write:  &quot;gender diversity in IT means a larger and more competitive workforce.&quot;  What do those words mean?  &quot;Competitive,&quot; for example, requires an object.  Who competes, and against whom?  One answer is that the participants in the workforce compete against each other, and any economist will tell you that the result of such competition is lower compensation in whatever terms you want to discuss (wages, benefits, etc.) </p>
<p>Is there any evidence that great implementation of is what&#039;s missing in the world?  If you want to support the idea that we need more girls to become programmers then that&#039;s the evidence that you need because programmers do implementation. </p>
<p>I&#039;m more inclined toward something else that you wrote:  &quot;in a world dependent on innovation, it means the ability to design technology that is as broad and creative as the people it serves.&quot;  What&#039;s going to get you across the finish line that you describe there?  The ability to manage and finance go-to-market on a compelling design?  Yes.  The ability to write a bunch of C++, Java, Flash, or any other implementation technology you&#039;d care to name?  No. </p>
<p>Why would a smart woman enter comp sci?  Pure programmers are never going to be my highest paid or most valuable people.  By coincidence, it turns out that some of my most valuable people happen to have programming skills, but their value to me arises mostly from other characteristics. </p>
<p>Women already have it hard enough &#8211; give &#039;em a break!  Discourage them from entering comp sci and instead teach them valuable skills like evaluating, managing, designing, and financing technology. </p>
<p>in my always-humble opinion, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your  point on teaching kids how to program games is right on target.  Many of the  new “early programming languages” are much more focused on this than teaching traditional  programming.  I think it’s insane to introduce kids to programming by teaching  them “Java” (or other languages) – give them higher order stuff that teaches  computer science constructs but is fun.  The lessons from Logo still apply today,  just more so.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your  point on teaching kids how to program games is right on target.  Many of the  new “early programming languages” are much more focused on this than teaching traditional  programming.  I think it’s insane to introduce kids to programming by teaching  them “Java” (or other languages) – give them higher order stuff that teaches  computer science constructs but is fun.  The lessons from Logo still apply today,  just more so.</p>
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		<title>By: @JeffRutherford</title>
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		<dc:creator>@JeffRutherford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, great original post and lots of good info-discussion in the comments. I grew up in the late 70s-80s and learned Basic on a Radioshack color computer.   
  
I now have two young sons, and I&#039;m interested in teaching them coding in a few years. I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re interested, but I&#039;d appreciate a follow-up post listing online resources and computer languages for parents who want to teach their kids coding regardless of what their school is teaching.  
  
Finally, re: the several comments about interesting kids in programming, no one mentioned teaching them how to program videogames. Come on, the vast majority of kids are gamers these days - PC/Mac, Xbox, Wii, Playstation and now the iPhone. Teaching teenagers how to program games will/could lure a lot of them into computer science. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, great original post and lots of good info-discussion in the comments. I grew up in the late 70s-80s and learned Basic on a Radioshack color computer.   </p>
<p>I now have two young sons, and I&#039;m interested in teaching them coding in a few years. I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re interested, but I&#039;d appreciate a follow-up post listing online resources and computer languages for parents who want to teach their kids coding regardless of what their school is teaching.  </p>
<p>Finally, re: the several comments about interesting kids in programming, no one mentioned teaching them how to program videogames. Come on, the vast majority of kids are gamers these days &#8211; PC/Mac, Xbox, Wii, Playstation and now the iPhone. Teaching teenagers how to program games will/could lure a lot of them into computer science.</p>
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		<title>By: @JeffRutherford</title>
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		<dc:creator>@JeffRutherford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, great original post and lots of good info-discussion in the comments. I grew up in the late 70s-80s and learned Basic on a Radioshack color computer.  
 
I now have two young sons, and I&#039;m interested in teaching them coding in a few years. I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re interested, but I&#039;d appreciate a follow-up post listing online resources and computer languages for parents who want to teach their kids coding regardless of what their school is teaching. 
 
Finally, re: the several comments about interesting kids in programming, no one mentioned teaching them how to program videogames. Come on, the vast majority of kids are gamers these days - PC/Mac, Xbox, Wii, Playstation and now the iPhone. Teaching teenagers how to program games will/could lure a lot of them into computer science. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, great original post and lots of good info-discussion in the comments. I grew up in the late 70s-80s and learned Basic on a Radioshack color computer.  </p>
<p>I now have two young sons, and I&#039;m interested in teaching them coding in a few years. I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re interested, but I&#039;d appreciate a follow-up post listing online resources and computer languages for parents who want to teach their kids coding regardless of what their school is teaching. </p>
<p>Finally, re: the several comments about interesting kids in programming, no one mentioned teaching them how to program videogames. Come on, the vast majority of kids are gamers these days &#8211; PC/Mac, Xbox, Wii, Playstation and now the iPhone. Teaching teenagers how to program games will/could lure a lot of them into computer science.</p>
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		<title>By: @ajkandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>@ajkandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add, even at the high school level it can be split into a multidisciplinary track leading to careers that don&#039;t involve coding per se -- usability, UI design, user experience design, product design, graphic design &amp; typography -- which are equally important in creating successful digital tools, products and services, and present a career track from a nominally &quot;arts&quot; background. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add, even at the high school level it can be split into a multidisciplinary track leading to careers that don&#039;t involve coding per se &#8212; usability, UI design, user experience design, product design, graphic design &amp; typography &#8212; which are equally important in creating successful digital tools, products and services, and present a career track from a nominally &quot;arts&quot; background.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Sanders</title>
		<link>http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2009/12/help-reform-computer-science-education.html/comment-page-1#comment-19531</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerpoof is great - the animation (movie making) interface really helps kids learn the basics of computing in an easy way.  Plus, it&#039;s delivered via a web browser - no need to download software.  NCWIT has been working for a while with Kerpoof and they are passionate about children and computing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerpoof is great &#8211; the animation (movie making) interface really helps kids learn the basics of computing in an easy way.  Plus, it&#039;s delivered via a web browser &#8211; no need to download software.  NCWIT has been working for a while with Kerpoof and they are passionate about children and computing.</p>
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		<title>By: epilasyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>epilasyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very good comment.. 
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