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	<title>Comments on: Some Complexities of Venture Capital Seed Investing</title>
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		<title>By: Aakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To maybe help answer whether or not seed investing has increased in 2009, I&#039;ve looked at a the data a couple times on my blog, most recently here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/2N1GjH&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/2N1GjH&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Clearly we&#039;re seeing a major VC focus shift to seed investing. Its driven by a lot of factors and in some cases VCs might even be forced to do seed stage deals because of the inability to continue later stage investing. But a lot of it is also the realization that seed investing can be more lucrative, especially if they follow the track of continuing on with later rounds of financing as you mentioned.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To maybe help answer whether or not seed investing has increased in 2009, I&#039;ve looked at a the data a couple times on my blog, most recently here: <a href="http://bit.ly/2N1GjH" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2N1GjH</a> </p>
<p>Clearly we&#039;re seeing a major VC focus shift to seed investing. Its driven by a lot of factors and in some cases VCs might even be forced to do seed stage deals because of the inability to continue later stage investing. But a lot of it is also the realization that seed investing can be more lucrative, especially if they follow the track of continuing on with later rounds of financing as you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: VCgate</title>
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		<dc:creator>VCgate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is really no clear distinction between different investment stages due to the fact that the stages are defined by people with different views (you may consider an investment  stage A while I can think of it as a seed investment). 
The real issue is that nowadays the situation is the same for all investment stages. You can no longer consider a certain stage more stable than the other, so there is no longer a difference as far as risks are concerned either. 
Check out how many entrepreneurs still get funds and create your own opinion regarding the stages that get most funds, if this is the case,  here  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vcgate.com/Venture_Capital_News.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.vcgate.com/Venture_Capital_News.htm&lt;/a&gt;   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is really no clear distinction between different investment stages due to the fact that the stages are defined by people with different views (you may consider an investment  stage A while I can think of it as a seed investment).<br />
The real issue is that nowadays the situation is the same for all investment stages. You can no longer consider a certain stage more stable than the other, so there is no longer a difference as far as risks are concerned either.<br />
Check out how many entrepreneurs still get funds and create your own opinion regarding the stages that get most funds, if this is the case,  here  <a href="http://www.vcgate.com/Venture_Capital_News.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vcgate.com/Venture_Capital_News.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  don’t think I know enough about the situation to know whether or not you can  obtain the $1m credit line (debt) you are talking about.  If you are cash flow  positive, can show that you can pay down the note, and have assets to secure  it, it’s certainly possible.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  don’t think I know enough about the situation to know whether or not you can  obtain the $1m credit line (debt) you are talking about.  If you are cash flow  positive, can show that you can pay down the note, and have assets to secure  it, it’s certainly possible.</p>
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		<title>By: jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Convertible notes create a misalignment because the investor is actually penalized for adding value because the note will convert into a smaller share of the company. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Convertible notes create a misalignment because the investor is actually penalized for adding value because the note will convert into a smaller share of the company.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh  Kopelman has a great explanation – see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2006/04/kopelman-prefers-preferred-equity.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2006/04/kopelman-...&lt;/a&gt;  where I say I completely agree with him and &lt;a href=&quot;http://redeye.firstround.com/2006/04/bridge_loans_vs_1.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://redeye.firstround.com/2006/04/bridge_loans...&lt;/a&gt;  where he lays it all out.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh  Kopelman has a great explanation – see <a href="http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2006/04/kopelman-prefers-preferred-equity.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2006/04/kopelman-.." rel="nofollow">http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2006/04/kopelman-..</a>.  where I say I completely agree with him and <a href="http://redeye.firstround.com/2006/04/bridge_loans_vs_1.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://redeye.firstround.com/2006/04/bridge_loans.." rel="nofollow">http://redeye.firstround.com/2006/04/bridge_loans..</a>.  where he lays it all out.</p>
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		<title>By: peHUB &#187; peHUB First Read</title>
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		<dc:creator>peHUB &#187; peHUB First Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] * Brad Feld: Complexities of venture capital seed investing. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nirvana is Transparancy &#124; Separate Piece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nirvana is Transparancy &#124; Separate Piece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent meme on seed funds with contributions from Chris Dixon, Charlie O’Donnell, Mark Suster and Brad Feld and the related topic of We need to own baloney from Fred Wilson and Josh Kopelman has reminded me [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recent meme on seed funds with contributions from Chris Dixon, Charlie O’Donnell, Mark Suster and Brad Feld and the related topic of We need to own baloney from Fred Wilson and Josh Kopelman has reminded me [...]</p>
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		<title>By: @wtknapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>@wtknapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad - where do you see the misalignment piece in convertible debt financings?  I read the earlier post on the topic and you seem to suggest both are fine. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad &#8211; where do you see the misalignment piece in convertible debt financings?  I read the earlier post on the topic and you seem to suggest both are fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup  – you have great seed investors (Jon and Dave are two of the best).  And the  way they do things is – at least in my opinion – the right way to do seed  investing.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup  – you have great seed investors (Jon and Dave are two of the best).  And the  way they do things is – at least in my opinion – the right way to do seed  investing.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Ng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Brad! While my experience is limited to the need of seed capital as it relates to future opportunities for angel investors, I agree with Matthew Trifiro. The seed money we at Napkin Labs have attained is a fantastic bridge to afford our company with time to fundraise for a series A round. Without it we&#039;d lose traction and the ability to position ourselves as a strong and growing company that is worth the investment. Really that is the importance of a convertible note seed round, to get start-ups positioned for more mature and stronger valuations to appropriately attract and manage VCs or added value Angels who will want to lead the round with board related investments and attractive terms that begin to dilute the founders. I should add that added value investors are warmly accepted but I&#039;m sure any will
find that giving up even the smallest part of their baby is tenious. Convertible notes are to the founders benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Brad! While my experience is limited to the need of seed capital as it relates to future opportunities for angel investors, I agree with Matthew Trifiro. The seed money we at Napkin Labs have attained is a fantastic bridge to afford our company with time to fundraise for a series A round. Without it we&#8217;d lose traction and the ability to position ourselves as a strong and growing company that is worth the investment. Really that is the importance of a convertible note seed round, to get start-ups positioned for more mature and stronger valuations to appropriately attract and manage VCs or added value Angels who will want to lead the round with board related investments and attractive terms that begin to dilute the founders. I should add that added value investors are warmly accepted but I&#8217;m sure any will<br />
find that giving up even the smallest part of their baby is tenious. Convertible notes are to the founders benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew G Trifiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew G Trifiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One terrific advantage of a convertible note is that it quickly brings operating capital into the company that allows you to begin executing on a business plan while bringing the right investors together for a priced round. We saw this at 1000 Markets. We were raising money during the Nuclear Winter and we were burning up a lot of opportunity cost pushing back on really wonky deal terms. 
 
Interestingly, w.r.t. to valuation and alignment, we didn&#039;t see any misalignment from our convertible note partner. It was from traditional Series X type VCs where we got downward price pressure on valuation and saw unfavorable founder terms. The seed funders we met are focused on getting the door with a fast-moving teams: Hence, 8 hour due diligence, 1 page term sheets. Fast balls down the middle. 
 
The old saw in venture capital, &quot;We invest in the people,&quot; is actually something that works both ways. For entrepreneurs, we are just as invested in our seed stage VCs as our VCs are invested in us. So you better like them. Better trust them.  
 
In our case, we couldn&#039;t have found better investors to invest in, or have invest in us. Dave McClure of Founders Fund and Jon Callaghan of True Ventures. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One terrific advantage of a convertible note is that it quickly brings operating capital into the company that allows you to begin executing on a business plan while bringing the right investors together for a priced round. We saw this at 1000 Markets. We were raising money during the Nuclear Winter and we were burning up a lot of opportunity cost pushing back on really wonky deal terms. </p>
<p>Interestingly, w.r.t. to valuation and alignment, we didn&#039;t see any misalignment from our convertible note partner. It was from traditional Series X type VCs where we got downward price pressure on valuation and saw unfavorable founder terms. The seed funders we met are focused on getting the door with a fast-moving teams: Hence, 8 hour due diligence, 1 page term sheets. Fast balls down the middle. </p>
<p>The old saw in venture capital, &quot;We invest in the people,&quot; is actually something that works both ways. For entrepreneurs, we are just as invested in our seed stage VCs as our VCs are invested in us. So you better like them. Better trust them.  </p>
<p>In our case, we couldn&#039;t have found better investors to invest in, or have invest in us. Dave McClure of Founders Fund and Jon Callaghan of True Ventures.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  love how things come around in a good way!  Keep writing – you are awesome.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  love how things come around in a good way!  Keep writing – you are awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While  I don’t worry, I’m not sure I agree that “entrepreneurs don’t really see the  issue at all.”  I hear questions about this all the time from entrepreneurs –  both first time and experienced.  I guess that’s part of why I write this  blog.  I’m sure there will come a point where I’m wasting my time and I’ll  stop.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In  the mean time, I definitely agree that there is a need for a more common language.   It’s awesome that we are at the point where we can even talk about this – when I  started making investments the whole thing was a total mystery and there was no  information anywhere about it (pre-web).  The few books that were available sucked  – basically you had to talk to experienced people (if they’d talk to you) and  get the info that way.  Today there is an amazing amount of information on the  web which is an awesome starting point.  That said, it is becoming  overwhelming.   &lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While  I don’t worry, I’m not sure I agree that “entrepreneurs don’t really see the  issue at all.”  I hear questions about this all the time from entrepreneurs –  both first time and experienced.  I guess that’s part of why I write this  blog.  I’m sure there will come a point where I’m wasting my time and I’ll  stop.</p>
<p>In  the mean time, I definitely agree that there is a need for a more common language.   It’s awesome that we are at the point where we can even talk about this – when I  started making investments the whole thing was a total mystery and there was no  information anywhere about it (pre-web).  The few books that were available sucked  – basically you had to talk to experienced people (if they’d talk to you) and  get the info that way.  Today there is an amazing amount of information on the  web which is an awesome starting point.  That said, it is becoming  overwhelming.   </p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do  you have anything other than a single slide to look at?   &lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do  you have anything other than a single slide to look at?   </p>
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		<title>By: @msuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>@msuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words, Brad.  Funnily enough, I had already drafted a blog post to be released Monday that I had written 3 years ago citing your blog as my primary source of VC information and my inspiration for wanting to begin a VC blog. 
 
When I wrote the post I don&#039;t think I had fully realized the extent to which you do seed funding - it&#039;s good to know.  I&#039;ll go back and read your &quot;areas of investment&quot; - would be great to find a deal to do together at some point. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words, Brad.  Funnily enough, I had already drafted a blog post to be released Monday that I had written 3 years ago citing your blog as my primary source of VC information and my inspiration for wanting to begin a VC blog. </p>
<p>When I wrote the post I don&#039;t think I had fully realized the extent to which you do seed funding &#8211; it&#039;s good to know.  I&#039;ll go back and read your &quot;areas of investment&quot; &#8211; would be great to find a deal to do together at some point.</p>
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