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		<title>By: The Startup Visa Organization &#124; artificial ignorance</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Startup Visa Organization &#124; artificial ignorance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brad is an investor based in Boulder, CO. I first met Brad through TechStars, a seed-stage investment program and startup accelerator based in Boulder. From Brad’s blog: from StartupVisa Momentum [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mod converter</title>
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		<dc:creator>mod converter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is very interesting. Thank you very much for sharing . </description>
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		<title>By: groupshoes</title>
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		<dc:creator>groupshoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice airtical, i would like to tell all of my friends about it. By the way, i would like to introduce everyone of you a very nice website, it offers cheap air max trainers for men and women. Such as Air max 1, air max 2, air max 90, nike air max 2009+, air max 2010 new, nike air max TN, nike air ltd trainers, air max 95. Dunk SB shoes, nike shox shoes. You can find almost all the nike series there, in huge collection and varies colorways. They have Latest style and classic style. Though their price are low, don&#039;t worry about it&#039;s quality. They are realll ones!!! I have bought from them for so many times, and very satisfied with the their goods and service. Come on, you&#039;ll love it.</p>
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		<title>By: @vidli</title>
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		<dc:creator>@vidli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great conversation here...Let the Boobies speaketh.. 
 
Foreign Student Entp and Yel  Visa - you are a Hobbits (aka real entrepreneurs) We support you.  
 
@biggiesu - you are an &quot;evil man&quot; - that&#039;s a terrible idea to give VCs all the leverage.  
 
Lindsay - you an orc - if you were a real entrepreneur you&#039;d know the TN-1 Visa is for &quot;contractors&quot; and doesn&#039;t last long enough to build a prosperous company. 
 
What all this Lord of the Rings talk? - Check out Lord of Visa to a see where you fit into this movement- &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.vidli.com/startup-visa/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://blog.vidli.com/startup-visa/&lt;/a&gt; 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conversation here&#8230;Let the Boobies speaketh.. </p>
<p>Foreign Student Entp and Yel  Visa &#8211; you are a Hobbits (aka real entrepreneurs) We support you.  </p>
<p>@biggiesu &#8211; you are an &quot;evil man&quot; &#8211; that&#039;s a terrible idea to give VCs all the leverage.  </p>
<p>Lindsay &#8211; you an orc &#8211; if you were a real entrepreneur you&#039;d know the TN-1 Visa is for &quot;contractors&quot; and doesn&#039;t last long enough to build a prosperous company. </p>
<p>What all this Lord of the Rings talk? &#8211; Check out Lord of Visa to a see where you fit into this movement- <a href="http://blog.vidli.com/startup-visa/" target="_blank">http://blog.vidli.com/startup-visa/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good  additional background.  Re: visa’s for travelling – that’s a good idea.  I don’t  know how to solve for that but I’ll add it to the list of things to figure out  as it is a valid point.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good  additional background.  Re: visa’s for travelling – that’s a good idea.  I don’t  know how to solve for that but I’ll add it to the list of things to figure out  as it is a valid point.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than pick on the minor details of the post, I&#039;ll comment on the overall concept: my view is in support of the proposal - It&#039;s a topic very close to me. 
 
Late last year I moved to the US to expand my business. In all honesty, it has been a difficult path. Other than to invest $1,00,000 under the EB-5 visa there are few avenues for me to be on the ground to do the leg work in the US. Luckily I have an engineering degree behind me, allowing me to gain an E3 visa (visa for Australian professionals). For my purpose the visa was crippling in that I needed to work as a part time engineer leaving only my spare time for work on expanding our business. It was a sacrifice I had to make for the better of the company. The red tape did slow progress for our company, delaying our launch in the US by 12 months.  
 
I understand the current limitations on immigration are in place to prevent abuse of the system. However for companies like mine, the system is a deterrent. Despite that, the US government should be thankful for my persistence; our company has already injected $200,000 into the US economy and will invest another $1,000,000 in the foreseeable future. All of this would not have been possible without my move to the US.  
 
I don&#039;t see any harm in the creation of a visa that allows individuals to travel to the US for an extended period on the purpose of creating business. If, and this is a very big IF, the individual in receipt of the visa is a responsible person they won&#039;t earn an income in the US (outside of gaining capital for their venture), they will only bring external funds into the country (to pay for living expenses). Unfortunately, for each rule created a new possibility for cheating the system arises. Therefore, expanding on an existing visa, and making a VC responsible for the applicant may be a step in the right direction.  
 
A thought to end on: how do individuals travel to meet the VC. Most VC&#039;s I have dealt with will only invest after a face to face meeting. Alien&#039;s from countries like Australia, New Zealand, UK and most of Western Europe can travel on a 90 day visa waiver program, however for the rest of the world travel to the US, particularly on repeat visits, is a difficult process. Should the visa proposed within this discussion allow for travel to the US for the interviewing process? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than pick on the minor details of the post, I&#039;ll comment on the overall concept: my view is in support of the proposal &#8211; It&#039;s a topic very close to me. </p>
<p>Late last year I moved to the US to expand my business. In all honesty, it has been a difficult path. Other than to invest $1,00,000 under the EB-5 visa there are few avenues for me to be on the ground to do the leg work in the US. Luckily I have an engineering degree behind me, allowing me to gain an E3 visa (visa for Australian professionals). For my purpose the visa was crippling in that I needed to work as a part time engineer leaving only my spare time for work on expanding our business. It was a sacrifice I had to make for the better of the company. The red tape did slow progress for our company, delaying our launch in the US by 12 months.  </p>
<p>I understand the current limitations on immigration are in place to prevent abuse of the system. However for companies like mine, the system is a deterrent. Despite that, the US government should be thankful for my persistence; our company has already injected $200,000 into the US economy and will invest another $1,000,000 in the foreseeable future. All of this would not have been possible without my move to the US.  </p>
<p>I don&#039;t see any harm in the creation of a visa that allows individuals to travel to the US for an extended period on the purpose of creating business. If, and this is a very big IF, the individual in receipt of the visa is a responsible person they won&#039;t earn an income in the US (outside of gaining capital for their venture), they will only bring external funds into the country (to pay for living expenses). Unfortunately, for each rule created a new possibility for cheating the system arises. Therefore, expanding on an existing visa, and making a VC responsible for the applicant may be a step in the right direction.  </p>
<p>A thought to end on: how do individuals travel to meet the VC. Most VC&#039;s I have dealt with will only invest after a face to face meeting. Alien&#039;s from countries like Australia, New Zealand, UK and most of Western Europe can travel on a 90 day visa waiver program, however for the rest of the world travel to the US, particularly on repeat visits, is a difficult process. Should the visa proposed within this discussion allow for travel to the US for the interviewing process?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Meattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Meattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, there are certain criterion that are used by the immigration folks to determine whether a company applying for an H1b for one of their employees is legitimate and functioning.  Could likely use the same/similar checklist for this vs. a new set of revenue,  employment, etc criterion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, there are certain criterion that are used by the immigration folks to determine whether a company applying for an H1b for one of their employees is legitimate and functioning.  Could likely use the same/similar checklist for this vs. a new set of revenue,  employment, etc criterion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Meattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Meattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the points Dave brought up in his comment earlier. 
 
Also, &quot;sponsoring&quot; is a loaded word.  Not sure what that means legally.  How many individual investors will formally want to sponsor someone?  Seems like a lot of baggage/liability?  I think the &quot;adequately funded&quot; criterion should be simply something that an immigration officer checks off a checklist. 
 
If a VC wants to &quot;sponsor&quot; someone,  they probably (not sure about this one) can already do so via the H1B.  The founder would be an employee of the VC firm, get paid by the VC firm, and work on the startup that the VC firm has ownership in. 
  
I would also recommend building in some sort of hiring window vs. forcing people to have x US citizens as employees on day zero.  Say x US employees within 12 months of the provisional visa being issued. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the points Dave brought up in his comment earlier. </p>
<p>Also, &quot;sponsoring&quot; is a loaded word.  Not sure what that means legally.  How many individual investors will formally want to sponsor someone?  Seems like a lot of baggage/liability?  I think the &quot;adequately funded&quot; criterion should be simply something that an immigration officer checks off a checklist. </p>
<p>If a VC wants to &quot;sponsor&quot; someone,  they probably (not sure about this one) can already do so via the H1B.  The founder would be an employee of the VC firm, get paid by the VC firm, and work on the startup that the VC firm has ownership in. </p>
<p>I would also recommend building in some sort of hiring window vs. forcing people to have x US citizens as employees on day zero.  Say x US employees within 12 months of the provisional visa being issued.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The accreditation idea is an interesting  one.  While there are plenty of founders that don’t have degrees (Bill Gates,  Steve Jobs, and Mark Zuckerberg come to mind), it’s an interesting /  potentially useful qualifier.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The accreditation idea is an interesting  one.  While there are plenty of founders that don’t have degrees (Bill Gates,  Steve Jobs, and Mark Zuckerberg come to mind), it’s an interesting /  potentially useful qualifier.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah – I recognize that the threshold is  sub-optimal.  After some further discussion we are going to advocate for  $250,000 (instead of $500,000).  Optimally it wouldn’t require any investment,  but I can’t figure out how to make any progress with that.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah – I recognize that the threshold is  sub-optimal.  After some further discussion we are going to advocate for  $250,000 (instead of $500,000).  Optimally it wouldn’t require any investment,  but I can’t figure out how to make any progress with that.</p>
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		<title>By: okgo</title>
		<link>http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2009/09/startupvisa-momentum.html/comment-page-1#comment-16519</link>
		<dc:creator>okgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, but no system you devise will ever alleviate concerns about gaming.  It&#039;s  &#039;whack a mole&#039; -- and as proof just look at the rest of the comments on this thread.  Every time you propose a solution there will be another corner case you&#039;ll need to explain away. 
 
So if you want to talk politics, then let&#039;s talk politics: Change the debate to, &quot;It makes no sense to have India/China/Russia reap the benefits of all these new jobs and wealth while we are stuck behind pointless red tape.&quot;  Now, the &#039;no-gamers&#039; are on the defensive instead of you being on the defensive.   
 
As long as the question is  &quot;How do you prevent gaming?&quot; you will lose.  Because you can&#039;t, plain and simple.  Moreover, reducing the scope of gaming doesn&#039;t get you any points either -- it just reinforces the original accusation (note the absence of any discussion of cost-benefit below.) 
 
So on the next official, simply say that we&#039;ll put reasonable safeguards in place, but that this is about creating jobs plain and simple. We can&#039;t afford to have the next great technology industries be started in France because we were worried about red-tape.  Just try it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, but no system you devise will ever alleviate concerns about gaming.  It&#039;s  &#039;whack a mole&#039; &#8212; and as proof just look at the rest of the comments on this thread.  Every time you propose a solution there will be another corner case you&#039;ll need to explain away. </p>
<p>So if you want to talk politics, then let&#039;s talk politics: Change the debate to, &quot;It makes no sense to have India/China/Russia reap the benefits of all these new jobs and wealth while we are stuck behind pointless red tape.&quot;  Now, the &#039;no-gamers&#039; are on the defensive instead of you being on the defensive.   </p>
<p>As long as the question is  &quot;How do you prevent gaming?&quot; you will lose.  Because you can&#039;t, plain and simple.  Moreover, reducing the scope of gaming doesn&#039;t get you any points either &#8212; it just reinforces the original accusation (note the absence of any discussion of cost-benefit below.) </p>
<p>So on the next official, simply say that we&#039;ll put reasonable safeguards in place, but that this is about creating jobs plain and simple. We can&#039;t afford to have the next great technology industries be started in France because we were worried about red-tape.  Just try it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then we are talking about a different problem, not only restricted to entrepreneurs: after studying in the US, a graduate is supposed to go back to his country. The problem is to convert a J1 into something else (H1 most likely). For entrepreneurs outside the US, we can certainly find cases where the entrepreneur will have to wait a few month to get his visa (but he can still visit the US if his company has established a subsidiary) but this is not a &quot;massive&quot; problem slowing down the US economy. Don&#039;t you think? 
 
I am more concerned with green cards (immigrant visas) and the backlog attached than for entrepreneurs&#039; visas. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then we are talking about a different problem, not only restricted to entrepreneurs: after studying in the US, a graduate is supposed to go back to his country. The problem is to convert a J1 into something else (H1 most likely). For entrepreneurs outside the US, we can certainly find cases where the entrepreneur will have to wait a few month to get his visa (but he can still visit the US if his company has established a subsidiary) but this is not a &quot;massive&quot; problem slowing down the US economy. Don&#039;t you think? </p>
<p>I am more concerned with green cards (immigrant visas) and the backlog attached than for entrepreneurs&#039; visas.</p>
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		<title>By: peHUB &#187; peHUB First Read</title>
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		<dc:creator>peHUB &#187; peHUB First Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to create &#8220;visas&#8221; for foreign citizens looking to found new businesses in the U.S. Now he&#8217;s got some policy proposals on top of his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KirkWylie</title>
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		<dc:creator>KirkWylie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worry with any type of representation like that is that it&#039;s going to be just like the &quot;ultimate-source-of-funds&quot; regulations that are part of current AML rules. They&#039;re toothless, and just cause more paperwork. If they weren&#039;t so easy to get around, there&#039;d be no more money laundering. But they are, and they&#039;re just a PITA for everybody who has to comply with what everybody knows are toothless rules. 
 
What about a loan of the money from a non-family member (an issue I addressed in my follow-up post, linked above)? That&#039;s not from the applicant or a family member, but would satisfy the particular concerns above, and is the more likely case. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worry with any type of representation like that is that it&#039;s going to be just like the &quot;ultimate-source-of-funds&quot; regulations that are part of current AML rules. They&#039;re toothless, and just cause more paperwork. If they weren&#039;t so easy to get around, there&#039;d be no more money laundering. But they are, and they&#039;re just a PITA for everybody who has to comply with what everybody knows are toothless rules. </p>
<p>What about a loan of the money from a non-family member (an issue I addressed in my follow-up post, linked above)? That&#039;s not from the applicant or a family member, but would satisfy the particular concerns above, and is the more likely case.</p>
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		<title>By: IanWilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>IanWilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do support the idea, but here I am playing political &quot;devils advocate&quot; and I think my points are valid and would / will be raised by opponents and will need a water tight counter point. 
 
I agree with jasonj below that the visa could be more successful if reframed as a &quot;jobs creator visa&quot;, which is the central point I think. Remove the focus from those words that scare a chunk of the voting public &quot;foreigner&quot; and &quot;immigrant&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do support the idea, but here I am playing political &quot;devils advocate&quot; and I think my points are valid and would / will be raised by opponents and will need a water tight counter point. </p>
<p>I agree with jasonj below that the visa could be more successful if reframed as a &quot;jobs creator visa&quot;, which is the central point I think. Remove the focus from those words that scare a chunk of the voting public &quot;foreigner&quot; and &quot;immigrant&quot;.</p>
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