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		<title>By: Cauldron of Friction</title>
		<link>http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2008/12/valuing-competence-vs-loyalty.html/comment-page-1#comment-10748</link>
		<dc:creator>Cauldron of Friction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other thing at Kroc believed in what that you hired for competence, and that competence bred loyalty. The senior management meetings at McDonalds were legendary for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Coakley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Coakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad - Great post. If I were a professor teaching a course on entrepreneurship I&#039;d use it to start off the course.  
 
Entrepreneurs face very difficult decisions dealing with their team members as business grows and the needs of the company change. Throwing in the towel on &quot;loyal incompetents&quot; on the team is one of the most difficult things I&#039;ve had to do and one of the least pleasant aspects of growing a business.   
 
The larger an organization becomes the more &quot;loyal incompetents&quot; that organization is likely to be filled with. This creates opportunity for leaner-meaner-smarter (i.e. more competent) entrepreneurial companies to capture market share at the expense of these fat-dumb-lazy companies. 
 
The last few months have demonstrated more clearly than ever how &quot;loyal incompetents&quot; can rise to leadership positions in some of the largest companies over time. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad &#8211; Great post. If I were a professor teaching a course on entrepreneurship I&#039;d use it to start off the course.  </p>
<p>Entrepreneurs face very difficult decisions dealing with their team members as business grows and the needs of the company change. Throwing in the towel on &quot;loyal incompetents&quot; on the team is one of the most difficult things I&#039;ve had to do and one of the least pleasant aspects of growing a business.   </p>
<p>The larger an organization becomes the more &quot;loyal incompetents&quot; that organization is likely to be filled with. This creates opportunity for leaner-meaner-smarter (i.e. more competent) entrepreneurial companies to capture market share at the expense of these fat-dumb-lazy companies. </p>
<p>The last few months have demonstrated more clearly than ever how &quot;loyal incompetents&quot; can rise to leadership positions in some of the largest companies over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Equally  split between principles and people. &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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		<title>By: Web Suunnittelu</title>
		<link>http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2008/12/valuing-competence-vs-loyalty.html/comment-page-1#comment-6467</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Suunnittelu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Brad on this one. I think loyalty and competence go hand in hand. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m with Brad on this one. I think loyalty and competence go hand in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Around the web &#124; alexking.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around the web &#124; alexking.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, I&#039;m curious as to how you define loyalty.  Are you talking about loyalty toward principles, as rhhfla suggests?  Or is this about loyalty to the company, or loyalty toward individuals at the company? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, I&#039;m curious as to how you define loyalty.  Are you talking about loyalty toward principles, as rhhfla suggests?  Or is this about loyalty to the company, or loyalty toward individuals at the company?</p>
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		<title>By: rhhfla</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhhfla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You draw the correct conclusion, but you are caught up in this misunderstanding about loyalty. Loyalty is to principles not people. Your 0/1 view about relationships with CEOs is all about a principle(s) violated and not really the people involved. 
 
As an aside, I have always found people who &quot;demand&quot; loyalty from subordinates to be poor CEOs. Typically, because they lack principles. 
 
Talk about your principles and do not confuse the discussion by mentioning loyalty. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You draw the correct conclusion, but you are caught up in this misunderstanding about loyalty. Loyalty is to principles not people. Your 0/1 view about relationships with CEOs is all about a principle(s) violated and not really the people involved. </p>
<p>As an aside, I have always found people who &quot;demand&quot; loyalty from subordinates to be poor CEOs. Typically, because they lack principles. </p>
<p>Talk about your principles and do not confuse the discussion by mentioning loyalty.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Feld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Feld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  agree that the reconciliation after one breach of trust can be very powerful.  However, I&#8217;ve found when the trust gets breached a second time, all of my  assumptions about the relationship were invalidated. Hence the one time rule.  Oh &#8211; and it&#8217;s my responsibility to call the other person out if trust is  breached &#8211; if I don&#8217;t do this, then I&#8217;m not holding up my end of the bargain.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  agree that the reconciliation after one breach of trust can be very powerful.  However, I&#8217;ve found when the trust gets breached a second time, all of my  assumptions about the relationship were invalidated. Hence the one time rule.  Oh &#8211; and it&#8217;s my responsibility to call the other person out if trust is  breached &#8211; if I don&#8217;t do this, then I&#8217;m not holding up my end of the bargain.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Casnocha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Casnocha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At this point in my life, I don&#8217;t want to work with people I don&#8217;t like.  For me, &#8220;like&#8221; covers a lot of ground, but fundamentally I have to trust and respect them.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
So I see three different concepts in here. I also don&#039;t want to work with people I don&#039;t like, but am willing to make exceptions if necessary. I also don&#039;t want to work with people I don&#039;t &quot;respect&quot; (broad word), but am willing to make exceptions if necessary. I will not work with people I do not trust, no exceptions. 
 
&lt;i&gt;I then implement my own filter which I call the &#8220;fuck me over once rule.&#8221;  Everyone gets to fuck me over once.  When I find myself in a fucked over position, I confront the person.  If we reconcile, there&#8217;s one more chance.  If not, we are done.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
One of the concepts I&#039;ve been thinking about is whether the trust established anew after a &quot;fucked over&quot; situation can be stronger than the original bond. Ie, does the rupture, if reconciled, actually strengthen the long-term prospects of the relationship. Many say that even if you re-build, it can never be the same. I tend to think that sometimes going through a low point, a trust-breaking point, can be a long-term net gain in some cases. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At this point in my life, I don&rsquo;t want to work with people I don&rsquo;t like.  For me, &ldquo;like&rdquo; covers a lot of ground, but fundamentally I have to trust and respect them.</i> </p>
<p>So I see three different concepts in here. I also don&#039;t want to work with people I don&#039;t like, but am willing to make exceptions if necessary. I also don&#039;t want to work with people I don&#039;t &quot;respect&quot; (broad word), but am willing to make exceptions if necessary. I will not work with people I do not trust, no exceptions. </p>
<p><i>I then implement my own filter which I call the &ldquo;fuck me over once rule.&rdquo;  Everyone gets to fuck me over once.  When I find myself in a fucked over position, I confront the person.  If we reconcile, there&rsquo;s one more chance.  If not, we are done.</i> </p>
<p>One of the concepts I&#039;ve been thinking about is whether the trust established anew after a &quot;fucked over&quot; situation can be stronger than the original bond. Ie, does the rupture, if reconciled, actually strengthen the long-term prospects of the relationship. Many say that even if you re-build, it can never be the same. I tend to think that sometimes going through a low point, a trust-breaking point, can be a long-term net gain in some cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Trust, The Healthcare System, and Saving My Dad&#8217;s Academic Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trust, The Healthcare System, and Saving My Dad&#8217;s Academic Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read my dad’s post yesterday before I wrote Valuing Competence vs. Loyalty.&#160; While they address completely different contexts and circumstances, if you squint you’ll [...]</description>
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