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A New Approach To The US Election Process

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Amy and I were talking about the election process during our vacation.  Both of us dislike the electoral college process and have concluded that the cycle is way too long, the primaries are stupid, and the amount of money being spent is totally obscene.  We are also deeply tired of all of the endless partisan crap.

So I came up with a new process.  How’s this?

  • There is one election.  No primaries.  No parties.  As many people can enter as they’d like.
  • The winner is whomever gets over 50% of the votes.
  • The election is a multi-day process.  On day one, all voters vote from the entire pool of candidates.  If someone gets more than 50% of the votes they win.  If no one gets > 50%, then anyone with > 10% of the votes gets to be on the ballot for day two.  Repeat – this time only people that get > 20% of the votes get to be on the ballot on day 3.  If day 3 doesn’t have a winner, the ballot is now between anyone with > 30% of the votes.  Yes – there’s a slight risk that no one will get over the minimum threshold on day 1, but assuming someone does, it should work. 
  • The winner of the most popular votes is president.  #2 is vice president.

It needs more work, but you get the idea. 

September 25th, 2008     Categories: Current Affairs    
  • Brian Kellner

    I've been thinking the thing that bothers me the most is negative advertising. I'd love to see a rule where candidates can only talk about themselves in their ads. If an ad mentions a candidate, he or she has to approve it. Ads can only talk about one candidate.

    I like the voting proposal, but it's certainly possible that on some day only one candidate clears the threshold (e.g. on day 3 only one candidate gets 30%). Since there are apparently voting schemes like this, there is probably a mechanism to account for it.

    Anyway, I'd settle for changes in rules around the advertising.

  • susan

    Even with a single pool of 122,000,000 votes, it is conceivable that the nationwide popular vote could someday be extremely close (say, a few hundred or a few thousand votes out of 122,000,000). In that event, the inevitable recount and controversy would be handled in the same way as its is currently handled—that is, under the generally serviceable laws that govern all elections. The guiding principle in such circumstances should be that all votes should be counted as fairly and expeditiously as possible.

    In terms of logistics, the personnel and procedures for a nationwide recount are already in place because every state is always prepared to conduct a statewide recount after any election. Indeed, there are statewide recounts for certain statewide offices and ballot propositions in virtually every election cycle. As Senator David Durenberger (R–Minnesota) said in the Senate in 1979, "There is no reason to doubt the ability of the States and localities to manage a recount, and nothing to suggest that a candidate would frivolously incur the expense of requesting one. And even if this were not the case, the potential danger in selecting a President rejected by a majority of the voters far outweighs the potential inconvenience in administering a recount."

  • susan

    The major shortcoming of the current system of electing the President is that presidential candidates concentrate their attention on a handful of closely divided "battleground" states. In 2004 two-thirds of the visits and money were focused in just six states; 88% on 9 states, and 99% of the money went to just 16 states. Two-thirds of the states and people were merely spectators to the presidential election. Candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or worry about the voter concerns in states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind. The reason for this is the winner-take-all rule under which all of a state's electoral votes are awarded to the candidate who gets the most votes in each separate state.

    Another shortcoming of the current system is that a candidate can win the Presidency without winning the most popular votes nationwide. This has occurred in one of every 14 presidential elections.

    In the past six decades, there have been six presidential elections in which a shift of a relatively small number of votes in one or two states would have elected (and, of course, in 2000, did elect) a presidential candidate who lost the popular vote nationwide.

    The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

    Every vote would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections.

    The bill would take effect only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes—that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). When the bill comes into effect, all the electoral votes from those states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

    The National Popular Vote bill has passed 21 state legislative chambers, including one house in Arkansas, Colorado, Maine, North Carolina, and Washington, and both houses in California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Vermont. The bill has been enacted by Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, and Maryland. These four states possess 50 electoral votes — 19% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.

    See http://www.NationalPopularVote.com

  • Chip Schooler

    This is how the U.S. ended up with Lincoln as president. In his day, the candidate was decided at the convention – one day voting. Instead of a primary strategy, a candidate focused on two key areas: strategic voting and a delegate selection and seating.

    Lincoln wasn't close to the most popular choice, there were two others with much more support, but neither had majority support.. Lincoln positioned himself as second choice for each of these groups.

    Turned out that, for second choice, he was a pretty good president.

  • nordsieck

    You can think of the early US sort of like the current EU, but with a bit more formality. The reason territories are called 'states' is because until the Civil War, they were essentially mini-countries with a duty to the Federal Government.

  • Kameir

    I would add a process in which the candidates prove that they are qualified to run a country, versus holding on to an American Idol process.

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  • susan

    The fact is that recounts would be far less likely to occur under a national popular vote system than under the current system.

    The probability of a recount is 1 in 332 elections. There were, for example, 23 recounts among 7,645 statewide elections in the 26-year period from 1980 to 2006. The average change in the margin of victory was 274 votes. The original outcome remained unchanged in 9 out of 10 recounts.

    * Fair Vote. 2007. Survey and Analysis of Statewide Election Recounts 1980-2006. Available at http://www.fairvote.org/reports/?page=1786&ar….

    If the President were elected from a single nationwide pool of votes, one would expect a recount once in 332 elections, or once in 1,328 years.

    Under the current system in which all of a state’s electoral votes are awarded to the candidate who receives the most votes in a particular state, there are 51 separate opportunities for recounts in every presidential election. Thus, our nation’s 55 presidential elections have really been 2,084 separate elections. This is the reason why there have been five seriously disputed counts in the nation’s 55 presidential elections. The current system has repeatedly created artificial crises in which the vote is extremely close in certain states, but not at all close on a nationwide basis.
    A national popular vote would reduce the probability of a recount from five instances in 55 to 1 in 332 (i.e., once in 1,328 years). In fact the reduction would be even greater because close results are less likely as the size of the jurisdiction increases. Indeed, only two of the 23 recounts were in big states (among the 7,645 statewide elections in the 26-year period from 1980 to 2006).

    The 2000 presidential election was an artificial crisis created because of Bush’s lead of 537 popular votes in Florida. Gore’s nationwide lead was 537,179 popular votes (1,000 times larger). Given the miniscule number of votes that are ever changed in recounts (averaging only 274 votes), there would have been no recount in Florida or any other state in 2000 if the national popular vote had controlled the outcome. Indeed, no one (except almanac writers and trivia buffs) would have cared that one of the candidates had a 537-vote margin in Florida.

    There was a recount, a court case, and reversal of the original outcome in Hawaii in 1960. Kennedy ended up with a 115-vote margin in Hawaii in an election in which his nationwide margin was 118,574.

    Samuel Tilden’s 3% lead in 1876 was a solid victory in terms of the national popular vote (equal to Bush’s solid percentage lead in the 2004 election). However, an artificial crisis was created because of the razor-thin margins of 889 votes in South Carolina, 922 in Florida, and 4,807 in Louisiana. No one would have cared who received more votes in these closely divided states if the President had been elected by a nationwide popular vote.

    Critics of a national popular vote have argued that there could be an extremely close nationwide count in the future (and historical data show that there would be one such election in every 1,328 years). However, even in that rare situation, there would also almost inevitably be one or more states with razor-thin popular vote margins. Thus, both systems would also have to grapple with the closeness of that kind of election.
    It is important to note that the question of recounts only comes to mind in connection with presidential elections because the current system so frequently creates artificial crises and unnecessary disputes. No one has ever suggested that the possibility of a recount constitutes a valid reason why state governors and other officials should not be elected by a popular vote.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/msitarzewski msitarzewski

    How's this (pulling it from my @ss)? Instead of the presidential candidates picking the vice president they'd like to run with, the vice president is the person in second place. So in this race's case, if Obama wins the presidency, McCain becomes VP. If we're going to have a two party system, let's embrace it. ;-)

    This should cut down on the negativity since there is a really good chance that they'll be living with their opposition for 4 years. Anyway, everything else works the same, primaries, electoral college, etc. Oh, and can we get some term limits for congress too while we're at it? kthxbai.

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  • reinkefj

    Respectfully, stick to tech. The Electoral College ensures that big states don't overwhelm little states. Our problem has been mucking with the Dead Old White Guy's creation without reflection. For example, Direct Election of Senators disenfranchised State Governments and permitted Federal Unfunded Mandates. Prohibition was really repealed by Jury Nullification. The Federal Reserve. The War on Drugs; totally unconstitutional. The phoney "two party" system — welfare 'n' tax versus warfare 'n' debt — two sides of the same coin. Like they are going to give up power without a fight. And, what makes you want to change? Much better the devil we know than the one we don't. Especially when a huge percent of the voters are 'employees' of government and have been dumbed down by socialist government education. No thanks. It may be a mess. But, the fix will be worse. I GUARANTEE it.

  • Ben

    With such long lines at polling stations, why isnt Election day a national holiday in the U.S.?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/steve_irel49311 steve_irel49311

    @Rick Actually here in Canada the results are often unexpected because of the "strategic" voting aspect i.e. delegates who lose are often opposed to voting for the top dog so they form a coalition to bring him down. That's exactly what happened in Alberta in 2006. Watch the progress of Stelmach (a virtual unknown) who started with 15% of the vote and ended up winning the campaign with 58% (in one day) http://is.gd/39mA

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/steve_irel49311 steve_irel49311

    @Rick Actually here in Canada the results are often unexpected because of the "strategic" voting aspect i.e. the ones that lose don't throw their support behind the person that just beat them. That's exactly what happened in 2006 in Alberta when Stelmach (a virtual unknown even by the media) with only 15% of the vote ended up winning with 58% – three rounds – one day http://is.gd/39mA

  • Jeffrey McManus

    The multi-day process is not necessary. Countries like Australia have what they call instant runoffs where you express a preference for more than one candidate. It only takes one day (one round of voting). If the first candidate doesn't receive a majority then they eliminate whoever gets the fewest votes and tally the votes again and so on until there is a winner with 50%+ of the votes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_runoff