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		<title>By: coffeeguy</title>
		<link>http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2008/04/your-analytics-data-is-very-wrong.html/comment-page-1#comment-9708</link>
		<dc:creator>coffeeguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the other day that comScore was proved inaccurate in its rating for Google, and showed a slowing of visitors.  This caused a sharp drop in Google&#039;s stock that day, only to have the comments revised.  Not too sure how accurate comScore is.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the other day that comScore was proved inaccurate in its rating for Google, and showed a slowing of visitors.  This caused a sharp drop in Google&#039;s stock that day, only to have the comments revised.  Not too sure how accurate comScore is.</p>
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		<title>By: bfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>bfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#8217;m  not 100% sure how FeedBurner is counting the Google webclips service, but I  think it gets lumped in with the Google Feedfetcher agent. If this is the  case, you&#8217;ll be counted as one additional subscriber. I think your page views  will only get counted when you open the page in a browser.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m  not 100% sure how FeedBurner is counting the Google webclips service, but I  think it gets lumped in with the Google Feedfetcher agent. If this is the  case, you&#8217;ll be counted as one additional subscriber. I think your page views  will only get counted when you open the page in a browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s a single agent for everything Google does. iGoogle, Reader, everything. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#039;s a single agent for everything Google does. iGoogle, Reader, everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad: Analytics have always, and likely will always, be useful mostly as an internal measurement tool (ie: how much am I growing month over month). I&#039;ve never believed in public analytics companies (except for the largest sites - and even then only in the % of market share - not in the specific numbers, ie: uniques, pages, etc). &lt;br /&gt;
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That said, when doing research, it is possible to draw some conclusions if you compare site A to site B on a decent system like comScore, Quantcast, etc. You won&#039;t know specific pageviews of Site B, but you&#039;ll likely know if they&#039;re a similar size, an order of magnitude higher or an order of magnitude lower. &lt;br /&gt;
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And, when part of your business is acquisitions, that quick checkpoint is a useful piece of information :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad: Analytics have always, and likely will always, be useful mostly as an internal measurement tool (ie: how much am I growing month over month). I&#039;ve never believed in public analytics companies (except for the largest sites &#8211; and even then only in the % of market share &#8211; not in the specific numbers, ie: uniques, pages, etc). </p>
<p>That said, when doing research, it is possible to draw some conclusions if you compare site A to site B on a decent system like comScore, Quantcast, etc. You won&#039;t know specific pageviews of Site B, but you&#039;ll likely know if they&#039;re a similar size, an order of magnitude higher or an order of magnitude lower. </p>
<p>And, when part of your business is acquisitions, that quick checkpoint is a useful piece of information <img src='http://www.feld.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>id like to see someone trace the flow of content across the web. then we can really begin to have proper analytics. something similar to tumblrs reblog feature that lets you see who has reblogged your content. it will be interesting to see the infectious nodes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>id like to see someone trace the flow of content across the web. then we can really begin to have proper analytics. something similar to tumblrs reblog feature that lets you see who has reblogged your content. it will be interesting to see the infectious nodes.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more with your conclusion to this thought about how many people draw conclusions that can severely impact their business from know flawed data. This might sound mean but if those that are knowingly (even unintentionally) making decisions and following these numbers 100% is better for those of us who diversify our sources, run the comparisons and than give or take a little %age wise. There are plenty of sources (some which you have listed) that can help focus our decision making. Great posts you could have definitely gone into more detail but good food for thought. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#039;t agree more with your conclusion to this thought about how many people draw conclusions that can severely impact their business from know flawed data. This might sound mean but if those that are knowingly (even unintentionally) making decisions and following these numbers 100% is better for those of us who diversify our sources, run the comparisons and than give or take a little %age wise. There are plenty of sources (some which you have listed) that can help focus our decision making. Great posts you could have definitely gone into more detail but good food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: bfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>bfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally  agree. Again, my issue is actually not with EITHER FeedBurner or BlogRovR &#8211; I was  just using this as an easy to identify and explain example of the deeper  problem that Fred pointed out in this Delicious / comScore numbers.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally  agree. Again, my issue is actually not with EITHER FeedBurner or BlogRovR &#8211; I was  just using this as an easy to identify and explain example of the deeper  problem that Fred pointed out in this Delicious / comScore numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: todd_sampso5628</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd_sampso5628</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Brad. &lt;br /&gt;
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A lot of people (outside Yahoo!) made a big deal when it looked like MyBlogLog&#039;s stats were dropping on Compete.com.  There is no way to say, &quot;Hey, we were bought by Yahoo!  TONS of our content is now being served off of the yahoo.com domain which we are not getting credit for.&quot;  &lt;br /&gt;
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I even did a post on our real stats, but MyBlogLog&#039;s Blog doesn&#039;t have 117k readers either. ;) &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://mybloglogb.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/2008-state-of-t.html &quot;&gt;http://mybloglogb.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/2...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Todd Sampson &lt;br /&gt;
Co-founder, MyBlogLog </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Brad. </p>
<p>A lot of people (outside Yahoo!) made a big deal when it looked like MyBlogLog&#039;s stats were dropping on Compete.com.  There is no way to say, &quot;Hey, we were bought by Yahoo!  TONS of our content is now being served off of the yahoo.com domain which we are not getting credit for.&quot;  </p>
<p>I even did a post on our real stats, but MyBlogLog&#039;s Blog doesn&#039;t have 117k readers either. <img src='http://www.feld.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p><a href="http://mybloglogb.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/2008-state-of-t.html "></a><a href="http://mybloglogb.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/2.." rel="nofollow">http://mybloglogb.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/2..</a>. </p>
<p>Todd Sampson <br />
Co-founder, MyBlogLog</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feld, Great blog post, I wrote some awesome coverage of it for MarketingPilgrim.  But during my review process I noticed you used profanity in you post, unfortunately Andy Beal doesn&#039;t allow coverage of any posts using profanity.  If you ever chose to edit this post please let me know. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feld, Great blog post, I wrote some awesome coverage of it for MarketingPilgrim.  But during my review process I noticed you used profanity in you post, unfortunately Andy Beal doesn&#039;t allow coverage of any posts using profanity.  If you ever chose to edit this post please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: marc_a_meye8949</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc_a_meye8949</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brad,  &lt;br /&gt;
Just a touch of clarification: &lt;br /&gt;
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There&#039;s a bit more complexity to how the BlogRovR statistics come to be. &lt;br /&gt;
When a new user registers and downloads BlogRovR thery&#039;re offered bundles of blogs in various areas thet may be interested in, to start them off.  Feld Thought&#039;s is in the tech bundle, cause we read you and we&#039;re always enlightened by your musings.    &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
For those who accept the default bundle EXPLICITLY, they&#039;re counted as a subscriber.  Now, that is what might happen in google reader as well.  But in reader, they might well never return and read his blog.  How many feeds in your feedreader to you never actually read?  That&#039;s a form of &quot;inflated&quot; count as well.   &lt;br /&gt;
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What&#039;s really novel and cool about BlogRovR, it&#039;s sole reason for existing, is that whenever a RovR user visits any page on the web that Brad has written ABOUT, or the page of some other notable blogger who also is writing about something you, Brad, have written about, they get to see &lt;b&gt;your&lt;/b&gt; post immediately, right there!   I think this makes them an even more engaged and valid reader than all but the small minority of readers who regularly consume all the content on your site. &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
So, I don&#039;t agree that our stat is &quot;very wrong.&quot;.  It is certainly a bit &quot;different;&quot; its not exactly comparing  apples and oranges, but RSS and similar technologies  lead to novel forms of consumption which aren&#039;t always readily capture by the simple &quot;subscriber&quot; concept of a newspaper. &lt;br /&gt;
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Are the wildflowers out yet, Brad?  I&#039;m pining for for a long hike out there.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Cheers, &lt;br /&gt;
Marc Meyer &lt;br /&gt;
CEO, Activeweave BlogRovR &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brad,  <br />
Just a touch of clarification: </p>
<p>There&#039;s a bit more complexity to how the BlogRovR statistics come to be. <br />
When a new user registers and downloads BlogRovR thery&#039;re offered bundles of blogs in various areas thet may be interested in, to start them off.  Feld Thought&#039;s is in the tech bundle, cause we read you and we&#039;re always enlightened by your musings.    </p>
<p>For those who accept the default bundle EXPLICITLY, they&#039;re counted as a subscriber.  Now, that is what might happen in google reader as well.  But in reader, they might well never return and read his blog.  How many feeds in your feedreader to you never actually read?  That&#039;s a form of &quot;inflated&quot; count as well.   </p>
<p>What&#039;s really novel and cool about BlogRovR, it&#039;s sole reason for existing, is that whenever a RovR user visits any page on the web that Brad has written ABOUT, or the page of some other notable blogger who also is writing about something you, Brad, have written about, they get to see <b>your</b> post immediately, right there!   I think this makes them an even more engaged and valid reader than all but the small minority of readers who regularly consume all the content on your site. </p>
<p>So, I don&#039;t agree that our stat is &quot;very wrong.&quot;.  It is certainly a bit &quot;different;&quot; its not exactly comparing  apples and oranges, but RSS and similar technologies  lead to novel forms of consumption which aren&#039;t always readily capture by the simple &quot;subscriber&quot; concept of a newspaper. </p>
<p>Are the wildflowers out yet, Brad?  I&#039;m pining for for a long hike out there.  </p>
<p>Cheers, <br />
Marc Meyer <br />
CEO, Activeweave BlogRovR </p>
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		<title>By: Jean Sini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Sini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brad,  &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
great post. Jean Sini, BlogRovR founder and CTO, here. Aside from the specific aspects of how BlogRovR counts subscribers (and that Marc highlighted above), the general issue you point to is attention, and that&#039;s certainly something I find isn&#039;t well measured.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t know that RovR is any worse an offender than any other reader but, more broadly, I think, like you, that along with page views, subscriber count isn&#039;t doing a great job of capturing attention.  &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately, the notion of knowing exactly who&#039;s reading you, when, and how (are they scanning your post in half a second, Scoble-style, or getting to enjoy the finer points, deep down in that fourth paragraph?) is very much an elusive one.  &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
This has been said before: we need a better metric (don&#039;t we always?); at the same time, getting there might imply a lot of behavior tracking, with all the privacy ramifications. Until then, we&#039;re stuck with some form of inflation factor to account for posts going unread in feed readers. &lt;br /&gt;
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Cheers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brad,  </p>
<p>great post. Jean Sini, BlogRovR founder and CTO, here. Aside from the specific aspects of how BlogRovR counts subscribers (and that Marc highlighted above), the general issue you point to is attention, and that&#039;s certainly something I find isn&#039;t well measured.  </p>
<p>I don&#039;t know that RovR is any worse an offender than any other reader but, more broadly, I think, like you, that along with page views, subscriber count isn&#039;t doing a great job of capturing attention.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the notion of knowing exactly who&#039;s reading you, when, and how (are they scanning your post in half a second, Scoble-style, or getting to enjoy the finer points, deep down in that fourth paragraph?) is very much an elusive one.  </p>
<p>This has been said before: we need a better metric (don&#039;t we always?); at the same time, getting there might imply a lot of behavior tracking, with all the privacy ramifications. Until then, we&#039;re stuck with some form of inflation factor to account for posts going unread in feed readers. </p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Manav Misra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manav Misra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, I usually follow your blog through my Google sidebar webclips service (unless I want to follow a link or post a comment in which case I actually open the post in a browser).  While I subscribe to various blogs that way, I don&#039;t necessarily read all postings.  Do you know how these kinds of subscriptions get counted--as one subscription, or are individual page views counted, or do the reporting services give you reports of both? &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, I usually follow your blog through my Google sidebar webclips service (unless I want to follow a link or post a comment in which case I actually open the post in a browser).  While I subscribe to various blogs that way, I don&#039;t necessarily read all postings.  Do you know how these kinds of subscriptions get counted&#8211;as one subscription, or are individual page views counted, or do the reporting services give you reports of both? </p>
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		<title>By: micah105</title>
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		<dc:creator>micah105</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well thats fucked. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well thats fucked.</p>
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		<title>By: bfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>bfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shit.  Oh well. I&#8217;ll try to keep it cleaner the next time, although it goes against  my nature.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shit.  Oh well. I&#8217;ll try to keep it cleaner the next time, although it goes against  my nature.</p>
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		<title>By: bijan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bijan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting. but what I really want to know is how to do it I get included in blogrovR  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting. but what I really want to know is how to do it I get included in blogrovR  </p>
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