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	<title>Comments on: 409A &#8211; The Valuation Process</title>
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		<title>By: Jeron Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeron Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, this is great advice.  I showed this blog to the folks at Venture Returns--they specialize in 409a valuations for startups and growth companies--and they now link directly to this article! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, this is great advice.  I showed this blog to the folks at Venture Returns&#8211;they specialize in 409a valuations for startups and growth companies&#8211;and they now link directly to this article!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent posts - very insightful and more refreshing to read than the legal words -- squint my way through that .... stuff &amp; would really rather poke needles into my pupils.   Look forward to additional posts.

One service that our firm provides is annual impairment testing for accounting compliance purposes -- goodwill testing resulting from a significant US GAAP change in 2001.  Similar evolution of independent valuation requirements and recurring services as we see with 409a.  I can recall the same dread and fear from all of those public companies carrying material goodwill balances (thousands in 2001): &quot;it is a nightmare&quot;, &quot;the costs will be exorbitant&quot;, &quot;who will complete all of the work&quot;...and on and on.  Four.5 years - and the creation of only a &quot;minor&quot; cottage industry later - we find most CFOs dealt (and deal) with SFAS-142 without much lingering complaint - of course the trade-off to our fee is the amortization savings (assuming no impairment).  There doesn&#039;t appear to be a similar trade off here with 409a??? (taxes and penalties saved is certainly a tag line from the BD guy pitching his firm�s appraisal assistance...yes?).

But, I can self-servingly suggest that independence in valuation (vs. the very dependent Board...err, we are being forthright here aren�t we!) will ultimately best serve the investor, perhaps not without legitimate bitching and moaning.

And, I don&#039;t personally know of any fellow appraisers who are rolling in 409a dough � none of us is laughing to the bank: most are weary from the complaining, ever-declining fees and the fly-by-night appraiser quacks posing as experts.  We turn down/refer more of this work than we accept.

Accept it gracefully, pay for it to be done correctly and get on with growing the start-up!

MSK

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent posts &#8211; very insightful and more refreshing to read than the legal words &#8212; squint my way through that &#8230;. stuff &#038; would really rather poke needles into my pupils.   Look forward to additional posts.</p>
<p>One service that our firm provides is annual impairment testing for accounting compliance purposes &#8212; goodwill testing resulting from a significant US GAAP change in 2001.  Similar evolution of independent valuation requirements and recurring services as we see with 409a.  I can recall the same dread and fear from all of those public companies carrying material goodwill balances (thousands in 2001): &#8220;it is a nightmare&#8221;, &#8220;the costs will be exorbitant&#8221;, &#8220;who will complete all of the work&#8221;&#8230;and on and on.  Four.5 years &#8211; and the creation of only a &#8220;minor&#8221; cottage industry later &#8211; we find most CFOs dealt (and deal) with SFAS-142 without much lingering complaint &#8211; of course the trade-off to our fee is the amortization savings (assuming no impairment).  There doesn&#8217;t appear to be a similar trade off here with 409a??? (taxes and penalties saved is certainly a tag line from the BD guy pitching his firm�s appraisal assistance&#8230;yes?).</p>
<p>But, I can self-servingly suggest that independence in valuation (vs. the very dependent Board&#8230;err, we are being forthright here aren�t we!) will ultimately best serve the investor, perhaps not without legitimate bitching and moaning.</p>
<p>And, I don&#8217;t personally know of any fellow appraisers who are rolling in 409a dough � none of us is laughing to the bank: most are weary from the complaining, ever-declining fees and the fly-by-night appraiser quacks posing as experts.  We turn down/refer more of this work than we accept.</p>
<p>Accept it gracefully, pay for it to be done correctly and get on with growing the start-up!</p>
<p>MSK</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin McPherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin McPherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,  What do you think of this idea?  I set up a side business to do valuations.  Price them at $20K for a first time and $10K for each follow-on.  Promise turnaround within 2-3 weeks.  My day job is CFO with a VC firm so I&#039;m familiar with cap table, preferences, Black-Sholes and DCF.  CPA and MBA for good measure.  All work done by me, no staff.  Obviously, I wouldn&#039;t do our portfolio companies.  Think it would fly?  Kevin (nice blog, BTW picked up the link from The May Report)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,  What do you think of this idea?  I set up a side business to do valuations.  Price them at $20K for a first time and $10K for each follow-on.  Promise turnaround within 2-3 weeks.  My day job is CFO with a VC firm so I&#8217;m familiar with cap table, preferences, Black-Sholes and DCF.  CPA and MBA for good measure.  All work done by me, no staff.  Obviously, I wouldn&#8217;t do our portfolio companies.  Think it would fly?  Kevin (nice blog, BTW picked up the link from The May Report)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Restricted stock is not subject to 409A if you meet several hurdles.  Otherwise, it falls into the same traps.  The service hasn&#039;t made it clear exactly how to deal with the hurdles and we&#039;ll comment on this in a later blog.  Also, you correctly point out the other problems with restricted stock.  Stay tuned and thanks for the input.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Restricted stock is not subject to 409A if you meet several hurdles.  Otherwise, it falls into the same traps.  The service hasn&#8217;t made it clear exactly how to deal with the hurdles and we&#8217;ll comment on this in a later blog.  Also, you correctly point out the other problems with restricted stock.  Stay tuned and thanks for the input.</p>
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		<title>By: zalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>zalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An early stage company  might be able to achieve its compensation goals with restricted stock (ie subject to a substantial risk of forfeiture, vesting). Restricted stock is not subject to 409A (although valuation is still an issue).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An early stage company  might be able to achieve its compensation goals with restricted stock (ie subject to a substantial risk of forfeiture, vesting). Restricted stock is not subject to 409A (although valuation is still an issue).</p>
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