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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments and arguably accurate - pro services are different than consulting services. I doubt, however, it&#039;s a distinction clients care about, if they even understand it. Companies make a distinction between internal and external resources, and in the latter  are often disappointed with services (consulting or professional) often because capabilities are oversold or unclear. However, &quot;consultants&quot; or &quot;professional services&quot; personnel who are capable of adding measurable value and doing so with a minimum of disruption (e.g. no &quot;smartest man in the room&quot; stuff) will find themselves &quot;trusted advisors&quot; and rewarded with the all to rare unqualified positive client reference. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments and arguably accurate &#8211; pro services are different than consulting services. I doubt, however, it&#039;s a distinction clients care about, if they even understand it. Companies make a distinction between internal and external resources, and in the latter  are often disappointed with services (consulting or professional) often because capabilities are oversold or unclear. However, &quot;consultants&quot; or &quot;professional services&quot; personnel who are capable of adding measurable value and doing so with a minimum of disruption (e.g. no &quot;smartest man in the room&quot; stuff) will find themselves &quot;trusted advisors&quot; and rewarded with the all to rare unqualified positive client reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Sibley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sibley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trianz
 
Hi,

Thanks for writing such an interesting article. It is not easy to take the right employee especially if we don’t have great human resource division inside our company. Special division of human resource usually required but some companies think that is not necessary thing. Trianz is a client-oriented organization that provides an integrated set of Consulting, IT and BPO solutions, each enabled by innovative and proprietary global execution models. 

Trianz firmly believes that the flawless execution of business, technology and operational initiatives is a key ingredient of business success. Their mission is to partner with business leaders, who share the belief that Execution Matters. They understand top management vision and objectives, visualize business results and translate these to the execution of strategy using relevant technology and process outsourcing.

Thanks,

- Sibley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trianz</p>
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Thanks for writing such an interesting article. It is not easy to take the right employee especially if we don’t have great human resource division inside our company. Special division of human resource usually required but some companies think that is not necessary thing. Trianz is a client-oriented organization that provides an integrated set of Consulting, IT and BPO solutions, each enabled by innovative and proprietary global execution models. </p>
<p>Trianz firmly believes that the flawless execution of business, technology and operational initiatives is a key ingredient of business success. Their mission is to partner with business leaders, who share the belief that Execution Matters. They understand top management vision and objectives, visualize business results and translate these to the execution of strategy using relevant technology and process outsourcing.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>- Sibley</p>
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		<title>By: New Things Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Consulting vs. Professional Services&lt;/strong&gt;

Brad Feld comments that consulting and professional services are clearly different business models, but are today sometimes used interchangeably.
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<p>Brad Feld comments that consulting and professional services are clearly different business models, but are today sometimes used interchangeably.</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Razor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occam's Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Product Marketing 103 (or service marketing 101..)&lt;/strong&gt;

Following on my previous post on Product Marketing 101 and Product Marketing 102, I want to try to touch on what you can do when the product is a service, and when you are looking at the question from the
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<p>Following on my previous post on Product Marketing 101 and Product Marketing 102, I want to try to touch on what you can do when the product is a service, and when you are looking at the question from the</p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Razor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occam's Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Product Marketing 103 (or service marketing 101..)&lt;/strong&gt;

Following on my previous post on Product Marketing 101 and Product Marketing 102, I want to try to touch on what you can do when the product is a service, and when you are looking at the question from the
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Product Marketing 103 (or service marketing 101..)</strong></p>
<p>Following on my previous post on Product Marketing 101 and Product Marketing 102, I want to try to touch on what you can do when the product is a service, and when you are looking at the question from the</p>
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		<title>By: The NOSE: Navigating OpenSource, by Al Essa</title>
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		<dc:creator>The NOSE: Navigating OpenSource, by Al Essa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Consulting vs. Professional Services&lt;/strong&gt;

Feld Thoughts urges us to distinguish between consulting and professional services, noting the nearly universal tendency to conflate the two. Here is a distinction that makes a difference for both buyers and sellers, because failure to get the distinc...
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there is a difference.  &#039;Consulting&#039; seems to imply that the client is receiving advice and counsel without necessarily getting any tangible deliverables (other than a notebook of ideas and/or tools).  &#039;Professional Services&#039; to me implies that there is a tangible deliverable at the end of the project (i.e., a fixed pipe, an e-learning course, software that works, etc).

I believe the distinction is important for two reasons.  First, clients can better understand where they are in terms of where they are in the solution process (Consulting seems to be on the front-end of a solution, Professional Services seem to occur once a solution has been chosen).  Second, clients have a better expectation and clarity on what they are buying.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there is a difference.  &#8216;Consulting&#8217; seems to imply that the client is receiving advice and counsel without necessarily getting any tangible deliverables (other than a notebook of ideas and/or tools).  &#8216;Professional Services&#8217; to me implies that there is a tangible deliverable at the end of the project (i.e., a fixed pipe, an e-learning course, software that works, etc).</p>
<p>I believe the distinction is important for two reasons.  First, clients can better understand where they are in terms of where they are in the solution process (Consulting seems to be on the front-end of a solution, Professional Services seem to occur once a solution has been chosen).  Second, clients have a better expectation and clarity on what they are buying.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The difference is that consultants have to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cybaea.net/Journal/Advice_bias.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;charge more to get people to take their advice&lt;/a&gt; than professional services people. :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Also that there is a verb for what Consultants do, but not for what Professional Services do.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More to the point, in my terminology &lt;i&gt;Consultants&lt;/i&gt; offer (business) advice, &lt;i&gt;System Integrators&lt;/i&gt; implement it (even if it is a process change and does not involve technology), while &lt;i&gt;Professional Services&lt;/i&gt; are System Integrators tied to a specific product or vendor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not sure if this only add to the confusion...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is that consultants have to <a href="http://www.cybaea.net/Journal/Advice_bias.html" rel="nofollow">charge more to get people to take their advice</a> than professional services people. <img src='http://www.feld.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Also that there is a verb for what Consultants do, but not for what Professional Services do.)</p>
<p>More to the point, in my terminology <i>Consultants</i> offer (business) advice, <i>System Integrators</i> implement it (even if it is a process change and does not involve technology), while <i>Professional Services</i> are System Integrators tied to a specific product or vendor.</p>
<p>Not sure if this only add to the confusion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the confusing word is &quot;Professional Services&quot;.  My plumber provides &quot;Professional Services&quot;, but a software company provides either Implementation services or Implementation consulting which is different that &quot;Consulting&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the confusing word is &#8220;Professional Services&#8221;.  My plumber provides &#8220;Professional Services&#8221;, but a software company provides either Implementation services or Implementation consulting which is different that &#8220;Consulting&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Jilk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Jilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main reason they are typically connected is that they usually have the same BUSINESS MODEL (c.f. your previous post) of selling hourly/daily labor at a time-based rate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main reason they are typically connected is that they usually have the same BUSINESS MODEL (c.f. your previous post) of selling hourly/daily labor at a time-based rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally agree, but I think the distinction is cleaner in product businesses than services businesses.

For example, as Brad says, we do have a professional services component to our Delivery Assurance business to help clients interpret the data we provide them and guide them on implementing some obvious solutions (e.g., &quot;enable your outbound email servers for reverse DNS lookup).

However, frequently the data will point to more systemic, upstream problems with the way the client handles some of the more creative aspects of its email program (e.g., &quot;you send too many campaigns each month and your consumers are complaining as a result&quot;), which calls for more of a consulting solution.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally agree, but I think the distinction is cleaner in product businesses than services businesses.</p>
<p>For example, as Brad says, we do have a professional services component to our Delivery Assurance business to help clients interpret the data we provide them and guide them on implementing some obvious solutions (e.g., &#8220;enable your outbound email servers for reverse DNS lookup).</p>
<p>However, frequently the data will point to more systemic, upstream problems with the way the client handles some of the more creative aspects of its email program (e.g., &#8220;you send too many campaigns each month and your consumers are complaining as a result&#8221;), which calls for more of a consulting solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross A. Santos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross A. Santos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a fine line... I&#039;m not sure that the line blurs from one side to the other when you consider different industries.� Think of  accounting software manufactures and the companies that sell/distribute.� Those companies that distribute are generally integrators (another term that probably bothers you), they can be anything from a network consultant to software developer to account who thinks he is a programmer.� I&#039;m not sure there is much difference between a consultant, integrator, professional service, it really all depends on what the market &quot;likes&quot; to hear the service called.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a fine line&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure that the line blurs from one side to the other when you consider different industries.� Think of  accounting software manufactures and the companies that sell/distribute.� Those companies that distribute are generally integrators (another term that probably bothers you), they can be anything from a network consultant to software developer to account who thinks he is a programmer.� I&#8217;m not sure there is much difference between a consultant, integrator, professional service, it really all depends on what the market &#8220;likes&#8221; to hear the service called.</p>
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		<title>By: schadefreunde</title>
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		<dc:creator>schadefreunde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Re:Consulting vs. Professional Services&lt;/strong&gt;

Brad posted and interest blog on the nuances in defining &quot;Professional Services&quot; and &quot;Consulting&quot;. As a VP of a consulting firm, this is a very important disctinction to make, not only from a business model perspective, but from a potential...
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<p>Brad posted and interest blog on the nuances in defining &#8220;Professional Services&#8221; and &#8220;Consulting&#8221;. As a VP of a consulting firm, this is a very important disctinction to make, not only from a business model perspective, but from a potential&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brady Bohrmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brady Bohrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuance matters because words matter.  Mark Twain once wrote &quot;The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuance matters because words matter.  Mark Twain once wrote &#8220;The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hoskins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hoskins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right about consulting being a very different business function from professional services but in its pure form, it also should be separate and unrelated to software product.  I spent a number of years at IBM as part of the IBM Consulting Group.  Interestingly, IBM mixed the consulting and professional services disciplines at least at the highest level within IBM Global Services.  The Consulting Group was created and lead by a guy named Bob Howe.  Bob was from Booz, Allen, Hamilton and he created the IBM Consulting Group in the same style.  We wanted to compete with the top tier consulting groups, like Booz, Mckinsey, E&amp;Y, PWC, etc.  Being part of IBM, it was vital we maintained separation of our consulting practice from pro services and product elements of IBM.   For the consulting practice to maintain integrity it must maintain impartiality.  The belief being, your credibility as a consultant has to be questioned if you are tied in any way to a pro services or product that you might be recommending as part of your report.
Consulting disguised as sales of professional services or product is not consulting but it is not inherently bad either.  Customers regularly know generally what they want but just as regularly need and want help from software and pro services cos help them figure out what they really need and how to get there.  The challenge for product companies like a Return Path, NewMerix, et al is that they are sufficiently focused on growing their product business and the services component is part of the means to that end.  As a result the consulting process can loose sight of the broader business issues.  Your description of Return Path shows they are keeping perspective but myopia can seep into consulting groups tied to product groups and they can begin to have a world view with their product at the center.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right about consulting being a very different business function from professional services but in its pure form, it also should be separate and unrelated to software product.  I spent a number of years at IBM as part of the IBM Consulting Group.  Interestingly, IBM mixed the consulting and professional services disciplines at least at the highest level within IBM Global Services.  The Consulting Group was created and lead by a guy named Bob Howe.  Bob was from Booz, Allen, Hamilton and he created the IBM Consulting Group in the same style.  We wanted to compete with the top tier consulting groups, like Booz, Mckinsey, E&#038;Y, PWC, etc.  Being part of IBM, it was vital we maintained separation of our consulting practice from pro services and product elements of IBM.   For the consulting practice to maintain integrity it must maintain impartiality.  The belief being, your credibility as a consultant has to be questioned if you are tied in any way to a pro services or product that you might be recommending as part of your report.<br />
Consulting disguised as sales of professional services or product is not consulting but it is not inherently bad either.  Customers regularly know generally what they want but just as regularly need and want help from software and pro services cos help them figure out what they really need and how to get there.  The challenge for product companies like a Return Path, NewMerix, et al is that they are sufficiently focused on growing their product business and the services component is part of the means to that end.  As a result the consulting process can loose sight of the broader business issues.  Your description of Return Path shows they are keeping perspective but myopia can seep into consulting groups tied to product groups and they can begin to have a world view with their product at the center.</p>
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